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*Originally posted by antiobl: *
Look buddy! I don't launch the blame games. Hammas and Hizb are like the Subhash Chandar Bhose, Maulvi Johar, and Maulvi Ataullah Bukhari. Luckily for Pakistan and Bharat, these anarchists were kept in check by Jinnah, Gandhi etc. We were all lucky that considering the size of Indian Subcontinent, only Punjab got impacted by 1947 militancy.
Palestinians however let the militants rule the roost. The result is the successive loss of territory since 1948.
Winning territory is like playing chess game. Only winners are the ones who use their brains instead of glands that produce testosterone.
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There are no parallels between Israel and Pakistan except that the first is a disease while the latter is the cure. Pakistan was founded on one basis one and one basis alone: Muslims cannot surive in a hindu and other wise an anti-muslim society. While some argued that Muslims and non-Muslims, primarily the Hindus, can live together and flourish, most sided with the idea of Pakistan. What the Quaid noted several decades ago is quite evident now; prime examples being the Babri Masjid and massacre-like incidents in Gujrat.
Keep in mind that while there were millions of Muslims settled in the Indian subcontinent up until mid- 20th century, by comparison number of jewish settlers in Palestine didn't exceed by 4 figuers, even if that. The majority of the diaspora was spread though out Europe, some in the Americas and some in Asia. During the rule of Ottoman Empire, in keeping with the accord of Umar (Allah bless him), the Sultans didn't allow jews to buy land in Palestine and thus claim the right of Israel. This is the first dissimilarity.
Secondly, the unholy idea of Israel was first concieved by powerful jewish family in Europe, namely the rothchilds. Where as Pakistan was accepted as the only viable solution, Israel was rejected by MOST!!!! Pre WWII, jews flourished everywhere. Even post WWII many were still opposed to the idea of Israel. But through organized and power propaganda and immense pressure on British government the balfour declaration was passed in 1917, giving jews the right to buy land and settle in Palestine and finally in 1948 the unholy idea came into being.
Since then the displacement of an entire people, the storms of the 2 intifadas, the coming of the second holocaust, the massacres of Deir Yasin and many others like it, and cires of Palestinians have fell on deaf ears. Every diplomatic step taken by the Palestinians or governments in favor of the palestinians was rebuked and repressed by the United States in favor of the Israelis. FACT: US HAS ALWAYS VETOED OR VOTED AGAINST ALL BILLS THAT WERE RAISED IN THE UN AGAINST ISRAEL EVEN WHEN EVERY UN MEMBER VOTED IN FAVOR OF THE PALESTINIANS. Prime examples: Israel's nuclear programs, camp Jenin, UN resolution 242 calling for Israel's withdrawal to pre-1967 war, Israeli deliberate attack on US warchip USS Liberty.
That being said, what choice do Hezb and Hamas have except do to Israelis what Israelis have been doing to Palestinians since early 1900s? Technically speaking, every Israeli citizen is a soldier because they are required to perform military duties every year. People blame Hamas and Hezb for the suffering of the Palestinians because these militant groups won't give peace a chance, but the fact of the matter is Israel doesn't want peace. It wants all of palestine muslim free. This has been the stance of Likud as well as the Labor parties since the evil creation of Israel.
