Re: Israel humiliated /Israel's response (threads)
Seminole, that is bang-on.
When the likes of Al-Qaedda, Hizzbullah, and Hamas are freely equated with Islam, then they have truely hijacked a religion as propaganda in their fight. Who elected these outlaw groups to be flag bearers for Islam? How did the Palestinian cause become synonymous with Islam?
The leadership vaccuum of the Islamic world has allowed these people who only know violence to seize the mantle of Islam and milk sympathy from the masses who never ask the question, "When will peace come". Somehow the concept of Jihad has become synonymous with a never ending fight, no matter what the cost in bodies and poverty and desolation of the Muslim people involved.
These fights are about power, money and control, with a whiff of religion thrown in to delude the sheep.
Re: Israel humiliated /Israel's response (threads)
so lets not forget in all this that Israel is targeting civilian lives and infrastructure and using tactics directed specifically at hurting/punishing civilians (sonic booms, rockets into populated areas, attacks on power grids and airports) in response to attacks on its soldiers. for those who siezed the higher moral ground on how israel and palestine fight and how america and al qaeda fight this should expose their very short lived pretence.
as for the idiocy of saying that israel is practicing restraint because it isnt putting palestinians in ovens, I think bin ladin practiced restraint by not nuking new york city. what a humane man, he took those buildings down in the morning, when most people hadnt got into their offices yet. merely taking out a symbolic target.
Re: Israel humiliated /Israel's response (threads)
Interesting isn't it? Muslims don't equate Al Qaeda with Islam. Kafirs like sem and OG do. However when muslims support Hamas and Hizbollah which have legal and moral backing for their actions they are linked with Al Qaeda again by the kafirs.
Al-Qaeda = not muslim.
Hamas and Hizbollah = muslim. These two are legally acceptible and legally defendable resistance movements. But then again since when has the US cared about what is legal or not?
Re: Israel humiliated /Israel's response (threads)
Let's not downplay the fact that the terrorists lobbing bombs into Israel and kidnapping their soldiers are not military personnel on military bases, but mix in and protected by the civilian population. Palestinians have been given every opportunity to grab the olive branch extended by Israel when pulling out of Gaza and instead elect a government whose mission is to destroy the Jewish state and continue with their attacks.
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as for the idiocy of saying that israel is practicing restraint because it isnt putting palestinians in ovens, I think bin ladin practiced restraint by not nuking new york city. what a humane man, he took those buildings down in the morning, when most people hadnt got into their offices yet. merely taking out a symbolic target.
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The difference is that cave-boy doesn't have the power, otherwise I'm sure he would. Israel has the power to destroy every building in Palestinian terrortories today. Probably by the time you read this post.
Re: Israel humiliated /Israel's response (threads)
Frankly the choice between hitting a power grid and invading the city with tanks and troops is not a hard one. A ground war kills a lot more people, and that would be perfectly legal and appropriate at this time. If the Israelis wanted to make Gaza into the rubble-which-used-to-be-Fallujah, they could do it tomorrow. When people get rid of Hamas the lights will come back on. Hamas' tactic is to hide among women and children. If they weren't such pu$$ys, hiding behind womens skirts, then armed men could fight it out without harming innocents. Tell your buddies to be men, and none of this would ne necessary....
Re: Israel humiliated /Israel's response (threads)
Hamas and Hizbollah = muslim. These two are legally acceptible and legally defendable resistance movements. But then again since when has the US cared about what is legal or not?
So let's see, killing Olympic Atheletes, hijacking airplanes, hijacking cruise ships, suicide bombings against civilians, firing unguided rockets at civilians and kidnappings=Islam? And those tactics which have characterized your "legal resistance" are in compliance with the Geneva Conventions for example? Hardly.
Unfortunately there are too many Muslims like Intern-Boy. They think resistance is cool, and don't give a $hit how it is done. Yet they still consider those who perpetrate those acts, not only Muslims, but Noble Muslims. Pity.
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Lets see killing innocent children and women, punishing innocent civilians, bombing and demolisihing houses of families, indiscriminate firing of rockets from gunships and planes are all tactics which have characterised as legal right to defend the terriotory and are in complaince with Geneva conventions? Hardly
Unfortunately too many westerners and Americans specifcally think such killings to be cool and even have the audacity to ask that the Palestinians remove their elected government while having turneda blind eye to the elected butcher of Shabra and Shatilla. Was any voice raised at all in America and west to remove him or aid will be cut? Of course not. Pity, real pity.
Re: Israel humiliated /Israel's response (threads)
Unfortunately too many westerners and Americans specifcally think such killings to be cool and even have the audacity to ask that the Palestinians remove their elected government while having turneda blind eye to the elected butcher of Shabra and Shatilla. Was any voice raised at all in America and west to remove him or aid will be cut? Of course not. Pity, real pity.
That would be the same Sharon who forcibly evicted his own people from all settlements in Gaza?
Please name for me one thing that the Palestinians have done to promote peace.
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Lets not downplay the fact that Israeli civilians support and protect their military too. And since every israeli civilian is by default a soldier its safe to say that they mix in with the civilians too. Saying that militias have civilian support does not make it okay to punish the civilians in any war. The rest of your psot is irrelevant to the issue of civilian vs military targeted in war, your merely stating your perspective on the politics which is a red herring. I could just as well take this discussion back to 1948 and a jew would take it back to 1000 BC.
So what? Russia had the power to destroy america before you had the time to read this post too, but just because they didnt doesnt make them compassionate, nor restrained nor civilised nor ANYTHING. They could just as well have recognized that it would be political if not military suicide.
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Explain to me how it would be legal to go into a ground war and kill thousands of people based on the killing of a soldier. Just so we dont go into making arguments based on what side your on, try and justify this with say Hamas going and levelling tel aviv, or say blowing up a bus of people (off duty soldiers targeted, children being civilian casualties) based on the killing of sheikh yasin.
Well, Fallujah is a little bitter than Gaza, even immediately after the US got done with it, so your argument doesnt really hold up.
Yeah right. If people dont have the means to set up barricaded heavily protected walled bases with heavily padded up soldiers firing from behind pillboxes at civilians willy nilly if they happen to be driving by and didnt hear whatever warnings shouted at them in a foreign language, if they have to live in their own homes they’re pu$sies.
Re: Israel humiliated /Israel's response (threads)
Err!! Sir, I do not equate their actions with Islam however over all it is the image of Islam that people are objecting to. In fact the media and a good majority of westerners and europeons equate what they see these groups doing as the teachings of Islam and stereotype muslims with such people.
In fact may be I should rephrase what I said earlier, Islam is not on a downward slope rather the muslims are on a downward slope. And as with any slope once you hit rock bottom the only way is up.
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Then why would one need arms/ammunition in peace? :CareBear: The so called peace offered by Israel is not because they are really peace minded but rather they are paid to, they get support from around the world in arms, money and politics while Palestine only gets a stick even that to "shut up".
Re: Israel humiliated /Israel's response (threads)
Out of chaos rises order. The muslims are in a state of chaos because they have disengaged themselves from what brought them into harmony centuries ago. Once they realize that and they will sooner or later, once you end up at the bottom of the food chain there is no way to look other than up. These groups that are carrying out their ideologies under the hood of Islam are doing a disservice to muslims and also an awakening in the long run.
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Are you kidding? The best count of Qassam rockets I have been able to find was 4500 by 2004. The Palestinians fire hundreds of these things a month into the sovereign territory of Israel. How long would the Pakistainis allow hundreds of rockets to fall on their people without retaliating? Now, prior to 9 months ago, you could argue that it was resistance. But 9 months ago the Israelis voluntarily and unilaterally withdrew from Gaza. They forcibly eviced their own people. But the rockets continued, and soldiers were kidnapped.
This is an invitation to a fight. Couldn't be more clear. So let's not wimper and whine when the fight is joined. The Palestinians are getting the conflict they very much asked for......
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Technicality: Hardly any Qassams land on people, since they are only slightly less accurate than headless chicken.
At any rate, Qassam rockets landing mainly on empty fields is old news and hardly a threat to Israel, bar the occasional wounding and the very rare fatality. The breaking news that 2 Katyusha rockets have landed on Haifa is what’s really interesting.
Hezbollah claim they didn’t fire them despite threatening to do just that; suggests that junior Hezbollah field commanders are acting without orders.
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Correction. Not into sovereign territory of israel as recognized by any coutnry in the world, but mostly into settler lands which is occupied territory and not recognized as israel internationally.
Furthermore could you tell me how many people have died? They have largely a nuisance value and considering that theyre fired at settlers who are settling in land regarded by the international community as disputed and illegal to settle in with the ends being harrasment and not slaughter, it isnt so bad.
They evicted a fraction of a fraction of the people who are there illegally. Furthermore Hamas declared a cease fire for the past year and has reigned in the attacks significantly yet operations have been carried out against its leaders and bases. Now does that justify them blowing up a bus in Tel Aviv?
Its funny for me how you characterize it as “whimper and whine” when civilians are targetted by armies you support, but expect the whole Muslim world to take notice and join in your grief at september 11. reflect and so on. Secondly the “palestinians” are getting as much of the conflict as they asked for as people in an american city if there was an attack on civilians there.
You need to explain whether you would support Hamas blowing up a bus in Tel Aviv in response to Sheikh Yasin’s assasination.