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http://www.pjstar.com/stories/072706/NAT_BAGFUSAF.060.shtml

Hezbollah hammers Israelis

Hezbollah dealt Israel its heaviest losses in the Lebanon campaign Wednesday, killing nine soldiers in fierce firefights. With key Mideast players failing to agree on a formula for a cease-fire, an Israeli general said the operation could last weeks.
Israel said it intends to damage Hezbollah and establish a “security zone” that would be free of the guerrillas and extend 1.2 miles into Lebanon from the Israeli border. Such a zone would prevent Hezbollah from carrying out cross-border raids such as the one two weeks ago which triggered the Israeli military response. Israel said it would maintain such a zone, with firepower or other means, until the arrival of an international force with muscle to be deployed in a wider swath of southern Lebanon - as opposed to the U.N. force already there that has failed to prevent the violence. Top U.S. and European officials agreed Wednesday on the need for urgent action to halt the fighting in Lebanon and on the creation of a multinational force to keep the peace. But the two sides had starkly divergent views of what that means.

Most Europeans want Israel to stop its offensive against Hezbollah now - which would leave Hezbollah battered but defiant. The United States wants to give Israel more time to pound the militia into submission as part of the wider war on terror. The foreign ministers and other senior officials from 15 nations, as well as U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan and representatives from the European Union and the World Bank, agreed in Rome on a declaration that expressed “deep concern” for the high number of civilian casualties in Lebanon, where government officials say hundreds of people have been killed. Deep differences in an approach to the crisis, however, were abundantly clear. In the presence of Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Italian Foreign Minister Massimo D’Alema alluded to the discord in post-conference comments. He said many participants appealed for an immediate and unconditional truce “to reach, with utmost urgency, a cease-fire that puts an end to the current violence and hostilities.” Rice, for her part, deflected pressure to lean on Israel to end its 2-week-old offensive, insisting that any cease-fire must be “sustainable” and there could be “no return to the status quo ante.” Later, Rice briefed reporters, saying she told the conference: “The fields of the Middle East are littered with broken cease-fires. … And every time there is a broken cease-fire, people die, there is destruction and there is misery.”

Hezbollah warfare

**The Israeli bombardment has failed to stop guerrilla rocket fire, even while killing hundreds, driving up to 750,000 people from their homes and causing billion of dollars in damage. Hezbollah fired another large barrage into northern Israel on Wednesday - 151 rockets that wounded at least 31 people and damaged property from the suburbs of the port on Haifa on the Mediterranean Sea to the Hula Valley above the Sea of Galilee. Over the past two weeks, the guerrillas have fired 1,436 rockets into Israel. **Pushing Hezbollah back with ground troops was proving to be bloody. Several thousand troops are in Lebanon, Israeli military officials said - mainly in a roughly 6-square-mile pocket around the town of Bint Jbail, a Hezbollah stronghold just over two miles from the border.

The Hezbollah fighters are heavily outnumbered, with some 100 in Bint Jbail and several hundred more in surrounding fields, bunkers and cave, according to the officials. But they use classic guerrilla tactics, choosing when to strike in the hilly territory they know well. They are dug in with extensive tunnel networks and stockpiling weapons, including rockets with which they pelted Israeli forces Wednesday.

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Israel has slowly grounded down Hezbollah’s ability to wage war…

Israel has encircled Beit Jabil and will soon take over 200 Hezbollah Terrorist Prisoners instead of killing these animals.

They will then release these beasts for in exchange with their Two captured Israeli Soldiers

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The same, if not more rockets are being fired by Hezbollah at Israel every day than when this fighting began - your own IDF says that. So much for grinding down Hezbollah’s ability to wage war.

Beit Jabil - a small Lebanese town, is still not under Israel’s control after 17 long days.

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beast for beast, why not?

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Not a nice thing to say about your family members.

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**Al-Manar: Hizbullah shot down IDF drone in southern Lebanon **

Hizbullah television station al-Manar reported that the organization’s gunmen shot down an IDF spy plane over southern Lebanese area. Sources estimate the craft was a drone. The IDF did not yet issue a statement on the report

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^ jjamal, refrain from personal attacks, posting here is not God given right, it can be taken away.

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The US is now desperately talking about making this 48 hr temporary ceasefire permanent - this week. Hezbollah is humiliating Israel by continuing to fire rockets at it today, just as Israel has been forced to stop.

Israel has LOST - Hezbollah remains undefeated.

http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/NewsStory.aspx?cpath=20060731\ACQDJON200607310324DOWJONESDJONLINE000101.htm&selected=9999&selecteddisplaysymbol=9999&StoryTargetFrame=_top&mkt=WORLD&chk=unchecked&lang=&link=&headlinereturnpage=http://www.international.na

**Israeli Army: Hezbollah Rockets Hit Northern Israel **

Hezbollah fired rockets at various regions of northern Israel Monday, the Israeli army said, the first attacks since Israel suspended its airstrikes in Lebanon for 48 hours following the killing of dozens of civilians in the Lebanese village of Qana. No casualties were immediately reported after the rocket attacks. The army confirmed rockets had hit the north, but didn’t say how many. Among the areas hit was the town of Kiryat Shemona, the army said.

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Isreal is no match for Hizbollah. Isrealis are a bunch of sisi guys who can only martyr innnocent, unarmed civilians. They do not have the courage to face the "Muslim Lions"! Doom is their fate.

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then why isnt a hezbollah flag flying in tel aviv?

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**Did Israel underestimate Hezbollah? **

Israeli experts question campaign against ‘the best Arab troops we’ve ever faced’

Despite 19 days of air, sea and land strikes against Lebanon, Israel has been unable to decimate Hezbollah and stop its rain of rockets, leading a former defence minister, a former intelligence official and others to conclude that Israel underestimated the militants and are paying the price for a strategic blunder. Israel’s official line is that Hezbollah is being defanged. “We have made a lot of progress in terms of destroying Hezbollah’s capabilities,” Daniel Ayalon, Israeli ambassador to Washington, said yesterday. But Israel’s armchair quarterbacks are clearly doubtful. **“Israel is far from a decisive victory and its main objectives have not been met,” military analyst Zeev Schiff wrote in the Israeli daily Haaretz. **Amos Harel, a Haaretz colleague, wondered whether the Israeli army had failed. He dismissed the assertion by Lieutenant-General Dani Halutz, Israeli army chief of staff, that the air force had hit most of Hezbollah’s command-and-control centres and diminished its long- and medium-range missiles. “One thinks that if Israelis had been asked on July 12 whether it was possible that Hezbollah would shell the north for two weeks without the [Israeli Defence Force] being able to stop it, most of them would have replied in the negative,” Mr. Harel wrote. Israel’s initial battle plan depended on air power, although many military experts have said that strategy almost never works on its own. But subsequent, small infantry strikes have not worked either – Hezbollah guerrillas have put up stiff resistance – and although Israel is leery of launching any big land attacks, it has called up as many as 30,000 reservists.

**Moshe Arens, a former Israeli defence minister, said the military campaign has been poorly executed. “This will be a disaster for Israel,” Mr. Arens, a former ambassador to the United States, was quoted as saying in the Israeli press. He said that Hezbollah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah “will be seen in the world as someone who fired thousands of Katyushas on Israel communities for weeks and came out unscathed.” **Mr. Arens also said that Israel now may have to change its strategy and launch a large ground invasion. “I think that without significantly large ground troops being used, we’re not going to reach the launching sites,” he told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. “And if we don’t reach the launching sites, the rockets will keep coming.” According to a Guardian report from a Hezbollah redoubt in the south of Tyre, the militant fighters are extremely disciplined, well-trained and filled with Shia zeal. And, they are patient. “We stay put and we don’t move till we get our orders, and this is why we are not like any other militia,” one of the fighters said from inside a well-furnished apartment in a village on the outskirts of Tyre. “We have specific orders. Even when we fire rockets we know when and where [to fire] and each of the men manning the launchers runs to a specific hiding place after firing.”

Yossi Alpher, a member of Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service who used to head the Jaffe Centre for Strategic Studies at Tel Aviv University, said recently that Israel’s current Lebanon campaign is more difficult than anticipated.
“I dare say, based on what we’ve seen so far, these [Hezbollah] may be the best Arab troops we’ve ever faced.” Now, Israeli Defence Minister Amir Peretz is bracing for an all-out Hezbollah assault. “Hezbollah may be preparing for a ‘closing act’ for the operation,” a government official quoted Mr. Peretz as saying during yesterday’s weekly cabinet meeting. The official said that Mr. Peretz indicated that such an attack could include “launching a massive barrage of rockets or long-range missiles toward the centre of the country.”
In an interview with The Sunday Times yesterday, Sheikh Naim Qassem, Hezbollah’s second in command, said that the organization’s ability to stockpile arms and build bunkers and tunnels during the past six years have been key elements in its fight against Israel. “If it was not for these preparations, Lebanon would have been defeated within hours,” he said. Israeli Captain Doron Spielman said that Hezbollah used the time since Israeli soldiers withdrew from south Lebanon in 2000 to fortify themselves. “They’re well trained, well equipped, and ready to die,” he said, “as can been seen from the very small number of prisoners taken by Israeli forces.”

With a report from Agence France-Presse

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*^^Even when we fire rockets we know when and where [to fire] and each of the men manning the launchers runs to a specific hiding place after firing."
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Yeah! Run and hide in "well furnished apartments", and leave the civilians to fend for themselves. This is so true of these neo-defenders of lebanon.

Neo-defenders only "defend" themselves.**
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Yup, military bunkers.

Btw, you missed this part.

Yossi Alpher, a member of Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service who used to head the Jaffe Centre for Strategic Studies at Tel Aviv University, said recently that Israel's current Lebanon campaign is more difficult than anticipated.
"I dare say, based on what we've seen so far, these [Hezbollah] may be the best Arab troops we've ever faced."

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He misses a lot since he hates innocent civilians and takes pleasure in their deaths.

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Why no "military bunkers" for the civilians? Not even a stinking trench! Afterall Hizbiz were supposed to defend them and protect them.

Best Arab Troops **faced by Israel. **That says a lot about Hizbiz off course.

It is like Israel used to push through in 15 days. Now it may take 30. If you want to compare Hizbiz please pick up a real fighting force. Comparing them with "bottom of the list" arab is simply laughable.

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Don't worry, the Israeli terrorists will still kill those civilians for your sick pleasure.

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More and more people are saying the same thing - Israel will not be able to defeat Hezbolllah.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0607310214jul31,1,391884.story?coll=chi-opinionfront-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true

Like it or not, Hezbollah is fact of life in Middle East

By Julie Flint, an ABC News correspondent in Lebanon from 1983 to 1990. She has lived in Lebanon since 1981
Published July 31, 2006

America’s concept of Hezbollah will always be defined by Oct. 23, 1983, when a suicide bomber killed nearly 245 U.S. servicemen at the Beirut airport in the Marines’ worst one-day loss since the World War II invasion of Okinawa. But it is 23 years later and Hezbollah now lives in the mainstream of Lebanese politics, not in the small Iranian-controlled terror cells that attacked American soldiers and took American hostages in the 1980s. Today Hezbollah is a strong social and political movement headed by an articulate and charismatic cleric, Hassan Nasrallah, who enjoys considerable popularity among many Lebanese. It has two government ministers, 14 members of parliament and an experienced and efficient guerrilla force far stronger than the Lebanese army. Most critically, Hezbollah has the devotion–not just the support–of many of Lebanon’s Shiite Muslims, who make up almost half the country’s population. Hezbollah is not the Palestine Liberation Organization, which could be crushed and sent packing from a country that was not its own. Hezbollah cannot be defeated without exterminating the entire Shiite community. U.S. policy in the area will fail, with disastrous consequences regionwide but especially in Iraq, as long as Washington accepts Israel’s caricature of Hezbollah as a bunch of fanatics who “want their own people as human shields … [and] civilian casualties on both sides.” Wishful thinking must not inform U.S. policy. Hundreds of thousands of Shiites fleeing the war in south Lebanon have reached Beirut with no interference from Hezbollah. The interference has come from Israeli planes shelling them as they flee and strengthening their determination to resist, with their lives if need be. Many families, even non-Hezbollah families, are leaving at least one man behind in the south to fight against Israel. For the moment at least, Hezbollah’s support is growing. “The military situation for us is perfect,” a Hezbollah official told me last week as Israeli ground forces inched deeper into south Lebanon, taking heavy casualties. “The Israelis are destroying everything. Even children are saying they have nothing to lose now.”

For the last 15 years, Hezbollah’s Lebanese face has been becoming increasingly moderate–first under the leadership of Abbas Musawi, who ended hostage-taking, despite internal opposition, before being killed by an Israeli helicopter gunship in 1992; then under Nasrallah, who took Hezbollah into the government, despite internal opposition. Today Hezbollah does not seek the establishment of an Islamic state in Lebanon and does not endeavor to impose Islamic morals, even in the predominately Shiite southern suburbs of Beirut. The party is a complex, broad-based amalgam of many tendencies and cannot be wished, or blasted, away. If the Israel Defense Forces succeed in killing Nasrallah, Hezbollah will splinter and its most radical wing, closest to the caricature, will come to the fore. Then we’ll see the petrochemical complexes of Haifa rocketed; then we may see new attacks on Westerners in Lebanon. Have the U.S. and Israel forgotten the lesson of the 1982 invasion of Lebanon: that force resolves nothing? Yes, the PLO sailed out in the end. But Hezbollah rode in and is still fighting Israel 20 years later, more determined and more organized than Yasser Arafat’s men ever were. To keep northern Israel safe from Hezbollah’s missiles, Israeli forces would have to police a “buffer zone” 80 miles deep, the range of Hezbollah’s Zelzal 2 rockets. Israeli public opinion will not accept that.

In the end, there will have to be a negotiated political settlement. It would be so much better to seek it now. Instead of standing by as Israel blows up Lebanon to rediscover the futility of force, the U.S. should demand an immediate cease-fire and open direct talks with Iran and Syria, which support and supply Hezbollah. This is a time for statesmen, not petulant schoolboys. What we are witnessing in Lebanon today are the first tremors of an earthquake that will create a new Middle East order–although not the one Washington has in mind. Protracted war in Lebanon will only radicalize the Lebanese face of Hezbollah, increase its already heroic stature in the region and entrench it as a proxy through which Iran will try to seek regional ascendancy. The time for diplomacy, for scaling down the rhetoric, is now.

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NewsNight reports, unbiased, uncensored, unlike the crap spewed by CNN:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-w5RAVCeChU&search=newsnight 25 JUL part 1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1WEq5SZvR7g&search=newsnight 25 JUL part 2

http://youtube.com/watch?v=n71aN98oeIk&search=newsnight 24 JUL part1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=g5Y0sld5moU&search=newsnight 24JUL part 2
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pm9NQVj65zs&search=newsnight 24 JUL part3

I will post more later.

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Are you talking about same hijbij that caused yahahahodi to run with its tail between its legs from S. lebanon? Oh yes that was always the objective so mission accomplished. :LOL: