Re: Israel humiliated /Israel’s response (threads)
one biased doesnt article doenst equal evidence. try again
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What the feck. From Canada's Globe and Mail:
"Mr. Ramon said the Israeli air force must bomb villages before ground forces enter, suggesting that this would help prevent Israeli casualties in the future.
Asked whether entire villages should be flattened, he said: “These places are not villages. They are military bases in which Hezbollah people are hiding and from which they are operating.”
He said that Israel has given civilians in southern Lebanon sufficient warning to leave the area and that those left behind should be considered Hezbollah sympathizers.
“All those now in south Lebanon are terrorists who are related in some way to Hezbollah,” he said.
It is believed, however, that civilians do remain in these communities. A Red Cross doctor who visited the town of Bint Jbail before the Israelis advanced on it this week said the majority of residents had fled, but a considerable number were taking cover in schools and other places.
Mr. Ramon said the military should not hold back."
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Never did I say it equaled evidence. Try again, with proper grammar. LOL.
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There are still a lot of civilians, yes, civilians in souther Lebanon including elderly people who were too ill and weak to escape.
Yes, flatten them and their homes. Go Israel! 
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The Jews have killed 400 civilians.
Only 27 Hezbollah fighters killed.
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Israel has called up another 3 reserve divisions (about 15,000 troops).
27 Hezbollah fighters, right....
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All thatIsraeli bravado of the early days is now going right of the window.
Expect Lebanese and Palestinian prisoners to be released in the coming weeks as well, just as Hamas and Hezbollah have been demanding.
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I think Israeli terrorists are trying to play a trick by not expanding ground operations in S Lebanon...and still calling 3 divisions reserves...
My guess is that they are going to carpet bomb S Lebanon and then runover by the infantary...
PS: Hezb must get SAMs as soon as possible.
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SAMs only help those who are with Uncle Sam.
It is time Hizbiz return the 2 captured soldiers and then ask for cease fire.
If Hizbiz didn't have strength to defend Lebanese Civilians, then why did they start the war?
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None of that will succeed in defeating Hezbollah.
In the last 15 days of the fighting Hezbollah has still been firing more than 100 rockets into Israel per day - the same rate if not more since the fighting began. Most commentators now talk about Israel having failed miserably to halt Hezbollah attacks.
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"Mr. Ramon said the Israeli air force must bomb villages before ground forces enter, suggesting that this would help prevent Israeli casualties in the future.
Asked whether entire villages should be flattened, he said: “These places are not villages. They are military bases in which Hezbollah people are hiding and from which they are operating.”
This is the exact same logic "terrorists" use when they bomb Israeli "civilian" areas, now what is the difference between IDF and terrorists to me? Answer: NONE.
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Just to fight the 900 remaining Hezbollah members? Damn, those 900 must have caused real horror to call for such big number of reservists.
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Israeli casualties, war doubts on rise
On a day of heavy Israeli casualties and failed international talks to end more than two weeks of fighting, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert faced growing domestic doubts Wednesday about the army’s tactics and the overall wisdom of Israel’s offensive in Lebanon. As televised images of wounded soldiers raised haunting memories of Israel’s 18-year occupation of southern Lebanon, Olmert told lawmakers of plans for a new 1.2-mile-deep buffer zone there as critics began raising questions about the army’s performance and credibility in the face of determined resistance by Hezbollah. Putting up a stronger fight than expected, Hezbollah guerrillas inflicted heavy losses on Israeli troops, killing nine soldiers and wounding 25 in the worst single-day toll for the Israelis since the start of the campaign. In Rome, world leaders disbanded a meeting on the crisis without agreeing on how to end the fighting, which has claimed more than 460 lives. While the United Nations, European Union and others wanted an immediate cease-fire, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice insisted on the U.S. position that any truce be accompanied by a wider agreement that includes Hezbollah’s disarmament.
Pleading for “an immediate and comprehensive cease-fire,” Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Siniora warned the diplomats that only despair and fanaticism would emerge from Lebanon’s rubble, and he accused Israel of war crimes. “Is the value of human life less in Lebanon than that of citizens elsewhere? Are we children of a lesser God?” Siniora said, according to a copy of his remarks. “Is an Israeli teardrop worth more than a drop of Lebanese blood?” The world leaders signed a final statement pledging to “work immediately” toward a cease-fire, and Rice said it would be used to help draft a UN Security Council resolution in the coming days on the need for an international force to separate the warring sides. She said a separate meeting would be convened among nations interested in sending troops for such a force. In Washington, White House spokesman Tony Snow said two ranking U.S. diplomats would remain in the region to consult “with partners and allies on how to move forward . . . to make conditions proper for a cease-fire.”
In addition to the intense ground fighting Wednesday, Hezbollah fired more than 150 rockets into northern Israel despite the army’s continuing offensive to stop such launches, the army said. The rockets wounded more than 30 people and damaged property. Bint Jbeil, the hill town where the army suffered its heavy losses, is a key stronghold of Hezbollah about 2 miles from the border with Israel. It has been the focus of an Israeli ground push into Lebanon that the army says is meant to kill the group’s fighters and destroy its bunkers and rocket stocks in villages near the frontier. Most of Bint Jbeil’s 30,000 residents have fled, but several hundred are believed to remain in the town, along with an unknown number of Hezbollah guerrillas dug in among the homes. Maj. Gen. Udi Adam, chief of the Israeli army’s northern command, said several dozen Hezbollah fighters ambushed troops from the crack Golani brigade as they advanced into the town. The guerrillas set off explosives and opened fire at the soldiers, killing eight and wounding 22, an army spokeswoman said. The soldiers killed most of the attackers, and the Israeli casualties were evacuated under fire to helicopters, Adam said The military said that an additional soldier was killed and three others were wounded when guerrillas fired an anti-tank rocket at a house occupied by troops in the neighboring village of Maroun al-Ras, which the army said previously that it had taken. “I assume there will be more days like this, regretfully, and these days can happen,” Adam said. The general said troops would carry out raids in Bint Jbeil and neighboring villages but would not occupy them. “The definition of the operation was to seize high ground in the Bint Jbeil area and not capture the entire town; it is too big a town, and we decided that there is no reason right now to occupy it,” Adam said. “We are free to act in the whole area, and that is the mode of operation, that is, we go in and out of all kinds of places, not only Bint Jbeil.”
But the number of casualties in Wednesday’s fighting, coming after losses in similar clashes in recent days, led some critics to question army tactics. “When [the army] falls into ambushes time after time, and is surprised each time anew, this series of events has to be stopped,” Rafi Noy, a retired general and former chief of staff in the army’s northern command, told Channel Two television. “It’s not good when this happens to an army that is so trained and so professional.” The losses in Bint Jbeil also were a blow to the army’s credibility after some senior officers announced in media interviews Tuesday that resistance in the town had been broken and that it was under the control of Israeli forces. “The war is leading us by the nose to sink deeper in the Lebanese mud. . . . The moment the army will be in Lebanon for an extended period, it will be hell for us in there,” said Ran Cohen, a dovish lawmaker and reserve army colonel, The Associated Press reported. “The deeper we get drawn in, the worse it will be.” The leader of Hezbollah, Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, said in a televised speech early Wednesday that his group would wage a guerrilla war against the Israelis in southern Lebanon. “What’s important in the ground battle is the degree to which we inflict casualties on the Israeli enemy,” Nasrallah said. Olmert told a parliamentary committee Wednesday that Israel wanted to establish a 1.2-mile-deep buffer zone in southern Lebanon that would be free of Hezbollah guerrillas and deter rocket attacks on Israeli soldiers and civilians. However, Olmert indicated that Israel would not go back to an occupation similar to the “security zone” it maintained in southern Lebanon in the '80s and '90s. Defense Minister Amir Peretz spoke Tuesday of controlling the area with firepower to prevent the entry of guerrillas. In the southern Lebanese city of Tyre on Sunday, an Israeli bombing hit an empty building where Hezbollah’s commander in the south has offices, wounding 13 people nearby, AP reported.
A total of 51 Israelis have been killed since the start of the military campaign, 33 of them soldiers. More than 400 Lebanese, most of them civilians, have been killed in Israeli attacks.
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900?
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just a day or two ago someone claimed that out of 10,000 Hezbollah members, 9000 ran away to north fleeing IDF bombardment leaving behind only 1000... 100 out of those 1000 were killed, so the remaining number is 900 or less (to account for more deaths afterwards) ..... or do you think 900 is an exaggerated number of survivors?
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Kaptain sahib, I am sure you have some army training or experience. while we poke fun on the numbers, there is a catastrophe in the making. Just like Palestinians did the $tupid things and lost West Bank and Gaza. Settlers moved in and now Palestinians are begging Israel to go back to 1967.
Similarly "small" strategic areas of Southern Lebanon are being chopped off. Sure Israel is losing troops in 10's or may be 100's. In the end every sane nation in the world raises and sacrifices army for two purposes:
- Protect your area of influence.
- Grab more area when possible.
Instead of counting Hizbiz (and going to slumber by counting sheep), people should be worried that the cleansing of Southern Lebanon is underway. Many innocents thanks to $tupidity of Hizbiz are losing their homes and land on hourly basis.
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They were losing their men by Israelis kidnapping anyway, what good is a land that is not occupied by men?
Has Israeli lost the war?
It seems like the Zionist thought that invasion of lebanon was going to be a walk in the park. There are indications that the Israelis have received a big shock to their system and are now delaying the ground invasion and will soon be begging for a ceasefire. There are indications that Hizbullah would like to see a ground invasion so that they can properly start attacking the Israelis.
Re: Has Israeli lost the war?
Please do not create for any new “idea” or any new question you have 
Re: Israel humiliated /Israel’s response (threads)
**Israel Finding a Difficult Foe in Hezbollah **
A week ago, Israeli officials said their military had knocked out up to half of Hezbollah’s rocket launchers and suggested that another week or two would finish the job of incapacitating the Lebanese militia. That talk has largely stopped. Hezbollah is still launching 100 rockets a day at Israel, nearly as many as it did at the start of the war. Soldiers return from forays into Lebanon saying the network of bunkers and tunnels is more sophisticated than expected. And Iranian-made long-range missiles apparently capable of hitting Tel Aviv remain in the Hezbollah arsenal. “Two weeks after Israel set out to defeat Hezbollah, its military achievements are pretty limited,” lamented Yoel Marcus, a columnist and supporter of the war, in the daily Haaretz on Tuesday.