Israel attacks UN position in Lebanon (merged)

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Regarding Qana, a Zionist wrote this in the Wikipedia discussion section:

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Its just getting tiring to see every military operation by Israel being detailed repetedly in wikipedia as if this resource is being turned into a megaphone for Islamists fundementalists and anti-semites worldwide.

If every terrorist event in Israel, and every anti-semitic genocidial death of Jews in the Middle East had received this much space then you would need a few more blade servers just to cover them all.

This whole page needs to go. At best, this "topic" should have been a sub papragraph under the Lebanese-Israeli war, 50 words at best. If they want this much detail, let them read the origianal first hand accounts in the NY Times.

Ruben Safir [email protected]

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And this response by another Wikipedia user:

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I agree with Mr. Safir above. The whole encylopedia has the wrong approach.

Its just getting tiring to see every internal domestic policy of nazi germany being detailed repeatedly in wikipedia. The holocaust should be a 50 word sub paragraph underneath the 'world war 2' article. --Irongaard 18:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
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How much atrocities will the world keep hiding? Sabra, Shatila, Jenin, Deir Yassin, the attack on USS Liberty, the incursions and subsequent killing of innocents in occupied territories just to name a very few...

Everything gets brushed under the rug when it comes to Zionists...

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Sabra and Shatila - massacare caused by Christian Miltia and not Israeli Soldiers

Jenin - No Massacare occured there, UN report confirmed it

Dir Yassin - Massacare on a small scale occured but Jews from neighbouring village came and stopped the IZL and Stern Jewish Terrorist groups from killing more Arabs. This massacare was never sanctioned by the IDF in 1948.

USS Liberty - It was a Mistake and an accicdent.

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Well memorized justifications…

However, there are numerous investogations that have taken place that point to deliberate atrocities taking place…

Your justifications are very simlilar to what happened in Qana…

Israel denied any wrongdoing and the matter was brushed under the rug…

However, when the Human Rights Watch conducted an independent inquiry along with the later UN and British one, Israel’s deliberate actions came forth…This has been the case for every case I mentioned…

The media covers up while the inquiries point to atrocities…You speak what the media tells you to speak, which as everyone knows are full of lies, deceit and false justifications while I speak from factual evidence…In an unbiased court of law, what would be accepted as the truth? Your justifications or evidence?

Do you still believe there are WMDs in Iraq? Or does the evidence point to lies, deceit and false justification by the media…

You can open your eyes and be on side of facts or you can be deliberately ignorant about them…Which is what most Americans are…

You can either be an informed person knowing the truth…Or you can be an American…

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Not according to the survivors on the ship.

Venting Session (merged)
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does that include all survivors or those who are anti-semetic?

and why do you even care about the USS Liberty?

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Can you prove that they are anti-Semitic? Furthermore, anti-Israel does not equal anti-Semetic, I know the media has brainwashed you into thinking that.

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and why do you even care about the USS Liberty?
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I care about any human who has been killed or wronged by the Israeli terror state.

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I never believed in WMD in Iraq nor did I support USA invading Iraq

But the rest of the allegations in regards to Israel are all made up basically to protray Israel in an evil light

Did you even care to examine these allegations in detail or did you just accept them. After all anything which is Anti-Israeli must be true?

Sabra and Shatilla was a christian crime, Jenin never happened, dir Yassin did occur but was never sanctioned by IDF and was stopped by Jews who came from neighbouring village.....

But yet again, any rumour of a crime committed by a Jew over a Muslim gets muslims more riled up than any crime that a Muslim commits over a muslim

like, Al Hama massacare where 20,000 Sunni Arabs were killed by Syria, Saadam Hussein Gassing the kurds killing around 5,000, Saudi Arabia massacaring 500 Shia pilgrims in Makkah in 1989, Arab countries treating palestinian refugees like dirt to score points against Israel and many others.....

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so now the anti-semitic definition has been extended to include those who tell truth against Zionists?

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It always has, Captain.

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no, doesnt have to be

but muslims unfortunatley rarely make a difference between jews, israelis and zionists

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That's quite an allegation. Have you surveyed every Muslim on the planet?

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no, but you dont need to survery every muslim on the planet to understand how they feel

a simple random sample will do

take a course in Statistics

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I have met and known many Muslims throughout my life. They always make a distinction between Israelis, Jews, and Zionists.

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That's quite an allegation. Have you surveyed every Muslim on the planet?:D

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What allegation?

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I have met and known many Muslims throughout my life. They always make a distinction between Israelis, Jews, and Zionists.

^^

this allegation

although this is true for the muslims I know but unfortunatley, in the arab world this is not true

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Not an allegation, but a statement of fact.

How would this world be...
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Guys, back to topic please!

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Finally a little rational analysis of this incident:

New York Times Report About UN Position Hit by Israel Leaves Out Crucial Context

A July 27 article in the New York Times about four UNIFIL officers killed in an outpost hit by Israeli fire (“(http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/27/world/middleeast/27nations.html?_r=1&n=Top%2FReference%2FTimes%20Topics%2FPeople%2FH%2FHoge%2C%20Warren&oref=slogin)” by Warren Hoge), left out crucial context about Hezbollah firing from or near UNIFIL positions. By contrast, the Associated Press reported that “U.N. officials said Hezbollah militants had been operating in the area of the post near the eastern end of the border with Israel, a routine tactic to prevent Israel from attacking them.”
The Times article cited UN assistant secretary general for peacekeeping operations Jane Holl Lute saying “no Hezbollah activity was reported in the area” at the time, and suggested that all the firing near UNIFIL positions in recent days was from Israel’s side:
Firing continued during the rescue operation despite repeated requests to the I.DF. for an abatement," she [Ms. Lute] said, speaking of the Israeli Defense Forces.
She said that Unifil had reported 145 incidents of “close firings” in recent days with several patrol bases taking direct hits and sustaining damage to buildings, equipment and vehicles.
But according to a July 18 email from Major Paeta Hess-von Kruedener, one of the officers killed at UNIFIL’s Khiam outpost on July 25, this was certainly not the case. In his report, published on CTV’s website, Kruedener asserted:
Team Sierra is currently observing both IDF/IAF and Hezbollah military clashes from our vantage point which has a commanding view of the IDF positions on the Golan mountains to our east and the IDF positions along the Blue Line to our south, as well as, most of the Hezbollah static positions in and around our patrol Base. It appears that the lion’s share of fighting between the IDF and Hezbollah has taken place in our area. On the night of 16 July, at 2125 hrs, a large firefight broke out between the Hezbollah and the IDF near a village called Majidyye and lasted for one hour and 40 minutes…
…we have on a daily basis had numerous occasions where our position has come under direct or indirect fire from both artillery and aerial bombing. The closest artillery has landed within 2 meters of our position and the closest 1000 lb aerial bomb has landed 100 meters from our patrol base. This has not been deliberate targeting, but has rather been due to tactical necessity.[emphasis added]
And Retired Canadian Major General Lewis Mackenzie explained in an interview with CBC that Major Kruedener had sent emails indicating that Hezbollah soldiers were “all over his position.” He said:
We received emails from him a few days ago, and he was describing the fact that he was taking fire within, in one case, three meters of his position for tactical necessity, not being targeted. Now that’s veiled speech in the military. What he was telling us was Hezbollah soldiers were all over his position and the IDF were targeting them. And that’s a favorite trick by people who don’t have representation in the UN. They use the UN as shields knowing that they can’t be punished for it.
It is equally clear from UNIFIL press releasesover the past week that there was firing near and around UN positions in recent days. According to the releases, Hezbollah opened fire on a UNIFIL convoy, and repeatedly shot from the area of UN positions. In fact, one unarmed UN observer was seriously wounded by Hezbollah fire. For example:
From July 20: “Hezbollah firing was also reported from the immediate vicinity of the UN positions in Naqoura and Maroun Al Ras areas at the time of the incidents (Israeli firing).”
From July 24: “One unarmed UN military observer, a member of the Observer Group Lebanon (OGL), was seriously wounded by small arms fire in the patrol base in the Marun Al Ras area yesterday afternoon. According to preliminary reports, the fire originated from the Hezbollah side during an exchange with the IDF.”
From July 25: “This morning, Hezbollah opened small arms fire at a UNIFIL convoy consisting of two armored personnel carriers (APC) on the road between Kunin and Bint Jubayl. There was some damage to the APCs, but no casualties, and the convoy was obliged to return to Kunin.”
From July 26: "Another UN position of the Ghanaian battalion in the area of Marwahin in the western sector was also directly hit by one mortar round from the Hezbollah side last night. The round did not explode, and there were no casualties or material damage. Another 5 incidents of firing close to UN positions from the Israeli side were reported yesterday. It was also reported that Hezbollah fired from the vicinity of four UN positions at Alma ash Shab, Tibnin, Bra, and At Tiri."
Why then does the *New York Times *ignore this crucial context?
New York Times Story on UN Position Hit by Israel Omits Crucial Context | CAMERA

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:hehe:
CAMERA Is your source, OG? Surely you jest?