Israel and nukes (Merged)

This looks to be one of the most mind-numbingly convoluted and empty discussions the participants will ever have.. I betcha that the US blessed this, Israel’s nukes are a pain for American politicians, but don’t expect to hear much on the record from them..
IAEA conference to discuss Israeli nukes for first time](http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/breaking_3.html)

The International Atomic Energy Agency has decided to discuss Israeli nuclear capabilities in its next major conference.

Diplomatic sources said the IAEA has placed on the agenda of its General Conference and Regular Session the subject of “Israeli Nuclear Capabilities and Threats.” The subject will be discussed at the conference in Vienna in September.

The sources said this is the first time in decades that the IAEA has placed Israel’s nuclear programs on the agenda of its general conference.

The conference has been planned from Sept. 15 to Sept. 19, Middle East Newsline reported. They said the subject was placed at the behest of Arab and Islamic states.

The proposal to discuss Israel’s nuclear programs came from the Arab League, the diplomats said. Oman was said to have submitted the request.

The IAEA has reserved the conference to also discuss Iran’s nuclear program and U.S. charges that Teheran is developing nuclear weapons. In response, Iran and Arab states have criticized the agency for failing to address Israel’s purported nuclear arsenal.

In a recent meeting, the Arab League has asserted that Israel has stockpiled up to 300 nuclear warheads. The league said Israel now has the capability of producing hydrogen bombs.

The sources said the Arab League plans to distribute a study on Israel’s nuclear programs to participants at the IAEA conference. The league will also demand that Israel sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
More news on Israel and nukes:
Israel has ready a plan](http://www.washtimes.com/national/inring.htm) to bomb Iran’s Bushehr nuclear-power plant should the Persian Gulf coast facility, now under construction, begin producing weapons-grade material, an insider tells us.

This source says Israel has mapped out a route its jet fighters would take to destroy what is designed to be a two-reactor plant. A successful strike would ensure that the radical Tehran regime does not develop nuclear weapons. Iran has tested 600-mile-range ballistic missiles that can reach Israel and carry nuclear, biological or chemical warheads.

Russia has signed an $800 million contract to provide two reactors for the plant near the port city of Bushehr. The United States opposes the deal, as well as any nuclear program in Iran. 

Israeli F-16s penetrated Iraqi airspace in 1981 to bomb the Osiraq nuclear-power plant, at the Tuwaitha nuclear center near Baghdad. Analysts believe the action, while condemned by the international community, kept Saddam Hussein from acquiring the bomb. 

U.S. Central Command has contingency plans for war with Iran, but there is no active discussion of invading a country that President Bush has put in the "axis of evil." Still, some in the Pentagon talk unofficially of what would be needed to take out the Bushehr plant.

Interesting... but should Israel attempt to attack the Iranian nuclear power plant, would Iran be entitled to test-fire a barrage of Shehab-3 (with conventional warheads) ballistic missiles against the Israeli military nuclear reactor at Dimona in the Negev desert in retaliation?

they can try but doesn't Israel have a missile shield in place?

The Arrow Anti-missile System

My question is how would the Israeli jets get to Iran? "...Israel has mapped out a route its jet fighters would take..." Via Iraq would be the direct route.. Iraq's airspace is currently in US custody.

I would imagine that Israel has had a route mapped out for ten or fifteen years. No real mystery. If the Road Map breaks down badly Israel may have everything to gain and nothing to lose.

The Arrows and Patriots might do a good job, and Israel has missles of it's own that are infinitely more accurate. They would use the opportunity to finish off a few more Iranian items.

The US would STRONGLY condemn the action, in a most Arafat-like way. (Wink Wink).

There would be no reason for the U.S. to condemn the strikes, everyone knows what Iran is doing.

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Interesting... but should Israel attempt to attack the Iranian nuclear power plant, would Iran be entitled to test-fire a barrage of Shehab-3 (with conventional warheads) ballistic missiles against the Israeli military nuclear reactor at Dimona in the Negev desert in retaliation?
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Of course, but as we know it Glorious Iran has used many a tactic to show Israel it's place. How can one forget how Hezbollah made the occupying war criminal Israeli army bleed for 22 years in Lebanon finally leading Israel to retreat like chickens in the dead of night.

If the demographically doomed Zionist entity dares pick a fight with Iran it will be as sorry as it was in Lebanon.

Malik, do just post for effect or do you actually believe the things you write?

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There would be no reason for the U.S. to condemn the strikes, everyone knows what Iran is doing.
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of course, a job US wanting to do finished-off by son... why would that be condemned?

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Malik, do just post for effect or do you actually believe the things you write?
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Et vu?

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The Arrow Anti-missile System
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Anyone know what the success rate on those is? I know they're better than Patriots... but does Israel really have the guts to risk facing a breached reactor if the Arrows aren't as effective as thought under combat conditions?

OG, I can't imagine that Israel's AF would live without a general plan for such a thing.. the new thing is that plan is now specific. But, of course, we have to ask why what should be a simple deduction is being made public in such a way.

UTD, taking a strike as naturally justified can only be done if it is reasonably expected that the day after a usable bomb is produced Iran will use it on Israel (that is, if Iran has plans to use it offensively/arbitrarily). I don't think that can be said.

Iran has been supporting terrorism against Israel for over 20 years. With a nuclear bomb its reasonable to expect Iran will step up these efforts.

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does Israel really have the guts to risk facing a breached reactor if the Arrows aren't as effective as thought under combat conditions?
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Israel committed over 22 years of terrorism in Lebanon killing tens of thousands of Lebanese and others, so it would be foolish enough to carry out such acts.

If 22 years of failed terrorism against Lebanon and finally a bloody nose by Hezbollah is not enough of a lesson for them, then some Shehab-3's targeted in the right place might do the trick.

What would be real interesting is if the Israelis launched a raid against Iran and the planes got shot down :), anyway the success of the patriot is exaggerated and any attack would definitely trigger retaliation. And UTD, Hezbolah, was forged in resistance to Israeli occupation, the Israelis invaded Lebanon hence any act against an Invader is an act of resistance. Your concepts of resistance and terrorism are obviously quite twisted.

If Iran chooses to directly confront Israel, they will end up a Glorious pile of sand.

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If Iran chooses to directly confront Israel, they will end up a Glorious pile of sand.
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I see some people forget the humiliation the Glorious forces of Iran inflicted on the patron of the Zionist entity in 1979? Learn from history.

But when you are cured of your amnesia maybe you would also like to reflect on the chicken run of the Israeli army from Lebanon in 2000? There may even be pictures of this event? :)

:rotfl: If it makes you feel better to consider the government of Iran “glorious”, more power to you. But when compared to the democratic western governments you despise, this regime is a cruel and oppressive tyranny.

And please revel in the hostage taking of American citizens and Israel’s withdrawel from Lebanon as the great Arab victories of the 20th century. Must make you proud.

A pre-emptive strike by Israel would certainly 'hot' things up in the region and it won't be long before Tel Aviv is besieged by dirty bombs. Any missile defence system usually requires a high ratio of intercept to target missiles, wonder how many missiles Iran has?

The almost ubiquitous supply of missiles in NK is one reason the US is keeping its Northern pacific battle fleet well away from little Kim.