ISRAEL: A Terrorist Success Story
/\ some people just try too much to show how pink they are! They bring up the most cooked up nonsense inorder to prove this!
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No doubt Israel is a terrorist state but the mother of terrorism is still the 'civilized West'. The illegitimate birth of Israel was caused by the Great Britain in order to keep a check on Arabs. When Americans adopted the British baby, Israel also sat in their lap. However Israelis and Americans are imposed upon Muslims by Allah as a form of punishment and humiliation owing to their war against Allah and His Messenger, Muhammad sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam collectively.
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Israelis and Americans are a bunch of violent criminals. They speak only one language; the language of violence and bullet! And you don't have dialogues with criminals. You fight them and either you eliminate them or get eliminated. In both cases you are successful.
Muslims have been humiliated and forced to live in shame because they haven't been opposing the world-criminals (the Euromericans), and so the evil of Euromericans is spreading in the world. Their mentality is 'might is right', whatever benefits them belongs to them no matter who owns them. Just have a look what these Euromericans have been doing in the world. You refuse to get dictation from them, they impose wars on you as in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and now in Syria (regardless of the crimes of Bashar-al-Asad). You prostrate to them like Pakistanis do, they still harm you because you don't give up your nukes.
Now the so called intellectuals may say on top of their voice that it's all about 'education', it doesn't change the fact that it's all about 'power' and they should know that Americans haven't invented 99% of the scientific inventions yet they are called the super power..only because they were good pirates and gangsters, they looted much wealth from different nations on the basis of their lethal weapons and criminal mindset.
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There is a lot of truth in major powers having looted the wealth of different nations, just look at the opium wars, the east india company. The slaughter of indigenous people. The shipment of gold to the US after WW2, the ending of the gold standard, quantitative easing, pricing of oil in dollars, the booms and bust cycles, the IMF or whatever name you give to them they all effective involve loot and plunder.
The wealth and progress is just a mirage. If I could plough enough money into some african state then you could make it a strong power.The key ingredient is money...but does it come from loot and plunder or does it come from sowing and harvesting it? This is the chicken and egg question. Fact and fiction become blurred when you look into it in more detail.
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A blinding flash of white light
Lit up the sky over Gaza tonight
People running for cover
Not knowing whether they're dead or alive
They came with their tanks and their planes
With ravaging fiery flames
And nothing remains
Just a voice rising up in the smoky haze
We will not go down
In the night, without a fight
You can burn up our mosques and our homes and our schools
But our spirit will never die
We will not go down
In Gaza tonight
Lyrics from: MICHAEL HEART - WE WILL NOT GO DOWN LYRI
Women and children alike
Murdered and massacred night after night
While the so-called leaders of countries afar
Debated on who's wrong or right
But their powerless words were in vain
And the bombs fell down like acid rain
But through the tears and the blood and the pain
You can still hear that voice through the smoky haze
We will not go down
In the night, without a fight
You can burn up our mosques and our homes and our schools
But our spirit will never die
We will not go down
In Gaza tonight
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What may i ask are you on about. Bystanders do not even come into the picture in a court. The most they'll do is be a witness as oppose to being on trial.
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Yes in a court bystanders will not be punished, but how would society react to a group of people who just sit back and watch women being raped, children being made orphaned, pregnant women hit in the stomach? All crimes Muslims often accuse Israelis of. Society and moral conduct will think these bystanders to be repugnant and moral hypocrites especially when they claim to support their Muslim brothers.
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If you just stand by and allow rape, murder, etc to take place then you do share some blame.
yes but perhaps only a tiny bit..nothing in comparison to the culprit.
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I hope I am wrong but it seems you want to put all the blame on the Great Satan because that is easier than looking closer to home.
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It is down to every individual with any sense of humanity, regardless of whether they are muslim or not. This is not just a muslim issue; it is a global tragedy; Palestinians are not just muslims, and even if they were it wouldnt be limited just to them.
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Indeed tragedies like these do concern the entire world. The reason why I am highlighting Muslim countries is because many Muslims will make out how close they are to the Palestinians and how they support their brothers but that is just sheer hypocorisy. It is clear now that terrorism is not going to work, Israel is there and getting stronger by the year, wars have not been able to defeat Israel nor has continious terrorist attacks on the contary it has just strengthened their resolve to succeed. Muslim countries need to recognize Israel as an independent soverign nation and then with full diplomatic relations pressure can be applied by these countries. At the moment the reluctance of Muslim countries to recognize Israel just leads to sympathy to Israel. The world will be much more sympathetic to the Palestinain cause if the Arab countries normalised relations with the Jews and accepted their right to exist, this will show that Muslim countries are not just sponsors of terrorism but want peace. Despite what some may think there are many people in the Western world who are willing to put more pressure on Israel. The problem is though that many Muslim countries hate Israel more than they care for the Palestinians and as a result their ego does not allow them to make peace with the Jews. After all it isn't an issue for the oil rich Arab Sheikhs who live in their vast palaces, it is the simple Palestinian people who are suffering and will continue to do so because the hypocrital Arab Princes cannot see past their own ego.
That does not negate the guilt of the US particulary the Republicans who do all what is written aoe by so many posters. Howeer constant Zionist and American bashing will not lead to peace or the Palestinians rather this just leads to more and justification to Isreali practices.
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^^ The statement about recognising Israel is preposterous. The muslim world is also changing rapidly and is not the same as in 60's or 70's. The muslims need not do anything but to wait. The muslims can lose 100 wars but Israel only needs to lose 1 war. Muslims have the luxury of time but Israel does not.
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The problem is that it has become a war between Islam and the Jews.
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Muslims have the luxury of time but Israel does not.
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Muslims may have time but the Palestinians do not, and are paying for the ego of the Muslim rulers. What is the wider Muslim world doing to protect the Palestinian people, they are using the Palestinian shoulder to take aim and attack the Jew.
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You seem to be coming up with some funny statements lately. I am not sure what your agenda is, or maybe you are just ignorant.
Palestinians are paying the price due to Israeli terrorism. The US and Europe are supporting and maintaining Israel.
You are using twisted logical to blame muslims. We are the terrorists, we are the ones always in the wrong, we are the ones blamed when we fight and we are the ones that are blamed when we don't fight. We are ones that are blamed when we side with the west and we are the ones that are blamed when we oppose the west.
Under Oslo accord the Palestinians accepted all the Isreali demands and humiliated themselves and yet Israel still backtracked on the accord. Settlement and colonisation of Palestine is still continuing.
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Besides rambling on the internet, what exactly have you guys done against Israel?
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Besides rambling on the internet, what exactly have you guys done against Israel?
Are you suggesting that we become terrorists?
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You are using twisted logical to blame muslims. We are the terrorists, we are the ones always in the wrong, we are the ones blamed when we fight and we are the ones that are blamed when we don't fight. We are ones that are blamed when we side with the west and we are the ones that are blamed when we oppose the west
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No I am not saying that at all so please do not put words in my mouth. I am simply saying that Muslim and Arab countries do need to accept their responsibility in the matter.
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The US and Europe are supporting and maintaining Israel.
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I agree with that.
As its stands what are the chances of peace and the Palestinians gaining their own country. You say Muslim countries are changing from the 60s and 70, are you thinking that the "Arab Spring" would lead to new regimes which could somehow combat Israel? Or maybe you are thinking something else.
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Please tell me how arab and muslim countries should help Palestine as I would very much like to know, since all economic, military and political power in this world lies with US and its allies.
The strength of a nation is not judged by weapons or armies, what is important is for arabs and muslims to invest in their people and improve their lives.
The issue of Palestine is not just for the muslims and arabs but it is a issue for whole of humanity. Resistance is a right of every human being that faces foreign occupation.
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The muslim world is also changing rapidly and is not the same as in 60's or 70's. The muslims need not do anything but to wait.
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I am not intending to argue with you bro just trying to understand your point, what do you mean by that? What would happen if the Muslims wait?
At the moment the reluctance of Muslim countries recognizing Israel pushes them out of the picture and shows the wider world that the Muslim world is only interested in destroying Israel and wiping it off the map.
It is clear that Israel is well established and that they aren't going anywhere so recognise Israel, come in from the cold and make peace.
I am not claiming to be an authority on the topic but just trying to understand as it is clear that things cannot carry on as they are.
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I am not intending to argue with you bro just trying to understand your point, what do you mean by that? What would happen if the Muslims wait?
At the moment the reluctance of Muslim countries recognizing Israel pushes them out of the picture and shows the wider world that the Muslim world is only interested in destroying Israel and wiping it off the map. It is clear that Israel is well established and that they aren't going anywhere so recognise Israel, come in from the cold and make peace.
I am not claiming to be an authority on the topic but just trying to understand as it is clear that things cannot carry on as they are.
- Muslims countries are not against Israel they accept the reality of Israel. Rhetoric aside muslims are not going to push the jews into the sea.
- The reason that muslim countries do not recognise Israel because it still continues to occupy arab land and represses the Palestinians. It continues to violate UN resolutions.
- It takes 2 to make peace. Until the muslim countries become powerful Israel will be not be seeking peace, because currently the balance of power is in the favour of Israel. You cannot have peace so long as one side is inferior to the other mainly due to US support.
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If you just stand by and allow rape, murder, etc to take place then you do share some blame.
I hope I am wrong but it seems you want to put all the blame on the Great Satan because that is easier than looking closer to home.
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No its simply because the US and Israel are the main culprits. The rest are small fishes in the sea. Its really not that hard to understand.
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Indeed tragedies like these do concern the entire world. The reason why I am highlighting Muslim countries is because many Muslims will make out how close they are to the Palestinians and how they support their brothers but that is just sheer hypocorisy.
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The leaders dont care what they want. Take egypt for example; under mubarak; it was a slave of US and by default isreal. He was paid to obey. During the gaza slaughter, he shut the border to the injured and refugees, he prevented aid going through. Now would you genuinely call him a 'muslim leader'? Because nobody else did. He was a mindless numpty, a puppet of the west. And the majority of them are.
They care more about orders from the west than they do their own people. That Includes saudi; qatar jordan and other gulf arabs countries!
But since the egyptian revolution, egypt has taken positive actions.. Simply because what the people say now, it matters!!
Iran lebanon and now egypt, are one of the few countries doing what they can to support palestinians. But expecting the same from other leaders, is not hypocrisy dear, its downright naive!
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Revolutions are good but I fear that attempts will be made to hijack the revolutions by the zionists.
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OK thanks or the replies.
The US is supporting Israel but its actions are also helping with the rise of Islamism for example the US is indirectly supplying weapons to the Syrian rebels many which are Islamists and ironically Al-Qaeda. I imagine they are doing this to destabilize the country so it does not pose a threat to Israel, they managed to destabilize Iraq and it seems that Iran is next.
So where is the hope of any Muslim regimes gaining any strength to pose a challenge to Israel, is it just a case of waiting for God to perform a miracle that things will change. I understand the Muslim brotherhood are taking control of the matter in Israel but surely the US won't just sit back and allow it to gain significant power to threaten Israel. As it stands the Palestinians will continue to be dominated by the Israelis and will that will likely continue well into the next couple of decades. Something needs to change as this strategy clearly isn't working, or is it?
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For someone that states he just wants to understand you do indulge in a lot of rhetoric. Can you tell me what happened to recent powers like UK, Germany and Japan. What happened to the Soviet Union? Where will India be in 20 years time from now? Do you see its influence increasing or decreasing?
We don't need miracles, the world is always changing. In fact change is the only constant.
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Anything can happen I agree with that, the Arab countries may or many not unite, the US may or may not collapse thus isolating Israel. We simply do not know about that, it is just wishful thinking to assume something will happen in favour to the Palestinians rather something needs to be made to happen. I agree that the the blind support of the US to Israel is wrong, but does that mean things should just carry on as it has? Does that not just prolong the suffering of the Palestinians?
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We don't need miracles, the world is always changing. In fact change is the only constant.
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Arshad is it just the compassion you have for the Palestinians that you hope something will happen or are there any actual events which make you think so.
In my opinion the US has managed to destroy most of their enemies or at the least put them back to a stage where they will not pose any threat to them or a long while. Like I said Iraq which was a regional power has been put on its knees, Libya too they will take years and years to build up their country and then maybe one day pose the same threat they once did. Assad days are numbered and it seems clear something is in the pipeline for Iran too. This isn't my support for the US but rather are facts whic are there for all to see. The Muslim brotherhood has come to power in Egypt but we will see what happens there but I highly doubt the US will allow them to become a large threat to the Zionists particularly as you have said the US supports Israel in all ways.