ISRAEL: A Terrorist Success Story

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Re: ISRAEL: A Terrorist Success Story

@Ma_Mooli

?? Probably because this thread is on israel as oppose to the rest of the world?

Really; you try too hard to divert attention from the israelis. What is the agenda here??

Yes I have an agenda. I am an agent of Mossad.

@Ma_Mooli

Well i guess thats the difference in the mindset. People tend to leave God out of the picture.

Yes of course. Just because we have the audacity to question the actions of Muslims across the world, we are atheists who might as well stop calling ourselves Muslims.

@Ma_Mooli

Yes. Anyone who can recall Palestine’s political situation a few years back during or before operation cast lead; will notice that they are in a much a stronger position today.

For several reasons; but the main ones being Gaza was isolated and faced hostility from all sides; not just from its arab neighbours; but from fatah who rules west bank; aswell as the international community, they all more or less ignored gaza. This was simply because of their hostility to Hamas and overall bias/ignorance/indifference in the western.

But All that has changed since then, from fatah hamas unity, to egypt opening their borders for aid; for arabs iranian and turkey being proactive in this matter from the word GO, i think israel will be reigned in or face the consequences.. It does not have a freehand this time around. And thats why i believe its in a stronger position.

Heres a guardian article from yesterday reiterating what ive been saying! Gaza is no longer alone | Ahdaf Soueif | Comment is free | The Guardian

You keep believing that. The world has turned against the Israel since 2008 yet nothing has come of it. Because nobody WANTS to get involved. Like you, they condemn Israel, express disgust at their barbaric military actions, then go back to their own affairs. The situation will NOT change unless and until someone takes a stand against the Israelis and as long as AIPAC is alive in the US, that’s not going to happen. Nobody wants to get sanctions imposed by the World Bank or IMF so countries stay out of it. China definitely could care less about the plight of Palestinians. True, the world might have started resenting Israel and seeing them for what they are but they are not going to jeopardize their position by speaking for a group of people that is of no use to them. So their only hope is the Muslim leaders who honestly do owe the Palestinians a voice.

@Ma_Mooli

Not really. No. The general assembly is pro palestine, thats why as you mentioned they pass the majority of resolutions in favour of palestine; including the unesco membership vote; even though the US tried to pressure and blackmail countries into a no or abstain vote but it didnt work! So they are not the puppet that you seem to imply they are, despite how much in touch you claim to be.

The observer state membership vote is coming up and the US and israel are bricking it simply because it wont be going through the UNSC, but the GA. and they know it will pass. That is why they are threatening abbas with all sorts if he goes to the UN, because once they get upgraded, apart from recognition of an actual state and other benefit; they can actually use the ICC against Israel.. Something israel is really worried about.

Its the UNSC that vetoes and they are as you might know are majority pro israel! But not everything goes through them.

LOL the UNSC IS the most powerful branch of the UN. Everything else is just a joke. But even then, the entire UN has no clout. They often speak in favor of the underprivileged only to be shunned by the US and Israel. If you are basing your positive outlook on the growing support of Palestine in the UN, you’re in for a big disappointment.

@Ma_Mooli

you mean sit there and twiddle our thumbs while we wait for our ‘muslims leaders’ to get it together? Lol. There are no muslim leaders and there is no muslim ummah either. So if your going to wait for one to come about before you decide to do anything; then you’re on a hopeless slope to begin with!

At least that’s better than sitting and twiddling your thumbs while waiting for the US to fall down so that Israel is finally all alone in defending itself.

I honestly don’t know why it’s considered anti-Muslim to question the lack of motivation, unity, and education amongst Muslims and critique their complacent lifestyle. Why does one have to be a self hating Muslim if they wonder why the Muslims aren’t playing a more active role in alleviating their suffering!? No one ever denied the atrocities committed by Israel and the blind support given to Israel by the US, but that doesn’t mean we keep going haw hai at the culprits and refuse to take responsibility for our own actions.

Anyways I am done with debating this issue. I am sure we all have more important things to do with our time.