If we believe that whatever in the world (wrong/sinful deeds) is happening by the will of Allah, then by trying to change the world, wont we be fighting against Allah’s will?
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Dude what ever you do you can't be out of allah's will.
How ever high you jump can't go out of the universe.
Islam very kindly/softly teaches you how become in harmony with every thing.
including starting from neighbors/family etc to the whole universe.
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If we believe that whatever in the world (wrong/sinful deeds) is happening by the will of Allah, then by trying to change the world, wont we be fighting against Allah's will?
How do you know if 'change of the world' is against Allah's will?
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Humans have free will. Allah's will comes into play only when Allah wants to interfere. Once divine intervention comes into play nobody can change the outcome.
It is up to Allah to decide when he wants to intervene. The wars , the murders , the crimes occur because of the free will of humans not because of the will of Allah.
The natural disasters occur due to natural course of things which Allah has decreed and written in Loh a mahfooz. When ,where and why certain natural calamity will occur only Allah knows.
Yes the outcome of wars ,crimes , accidents, potential natural disasters can be changed with human actions and Dua. It is up to Allah to let the human actions take their natural course or accept our Dua at the moment and change the outcome. Allah may decide not to intervene and not to accept our Dua. Why and when He accepts a certain dua or does not accept it we would not know in this life. This is where we accept His will and this is why Islam is religion based on submission to Allah's will.
On the day of judgment Allah will let us know why He did or did not accept our dua or why He did or did not intervene.
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If we believe that whatever in the world (wrong/sinful deeds) is happening by the will of Allah, then by trying to change the world, wont we be fighting against Allah's will?
This question can be asked of any god and the answer is the same...and that is...........drum roll please....
even the deed of trying to change the world is god's will, so nothing wrong with it!
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@Mirch
Nothing happens without the will of Allah (permission of Allah) and humans do not have free will in the sense of correct definition of the word "will". We only have freedom of making choices.
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I know it has been very difficult topic to be covered in one post. Freedom of choice means you can choose between good or bad that means you can go the right way or the wrong way as per your will.
Allah says in Quran.
Allah Says in the Quran:
*The Only Way in the sight of Allah is Submission to Him (Islam)." *(Qur’an 3:19](Oregon State University))
In another verse of the Holy Qur’an, Allah says:
*“If anyone desires a Way of Life other than Submission to Allah (Islam), Allah will never accept this from him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of the loosers (In Hell).” *(Qur’an 3:85](Oregon State University))
If man does not have free will why would Allah tell us that Submission to him is the only way in His sight ?
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Dude it make me sick in stomach how we are so sure that allah is person with eyes/heart/brain and thoughts.
Dude thats us human.
Allah is the one who wanted universe and it came into being, He didn't sit with work book and led pencil to plan the whole thing.
How do you define such an entity's will??
Universe is probably a big automation created by Allah. You jump off the cliff you die. Thats allah rule. You don't jump you stay safe thats alos is allah's will.
Its not at some point of time allah took over universe and imposed his will on us.
Every single thing/action motion act upon the principle given to them.
No we do have a manual "Quran" which teaches us things, and also tries to teach us which we can't perceive.
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If we believe that whatever in the world (wrong/sinful deeds) is happening by the will of Allah, then by trying to change the world, wont we be fighting against Allah's will?
Peace FrozenFire
There are two Arabic words which are both translated into English as Will of God ...
Qadr wa Qadza
Qadr is the Divine Decree that cannot be compromised by us
Qadza is the Divine Legislation i.e. Qur'anic Injunctions and direct orders from the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) [because he did not speak from himself].
The Qadr of Allah (SWT) allows us to practice our freedom of choice, even if it means going against the Qadza of Allah (SWT).
You statement should be modified to ... not whatever IS happening, rather to whatever HAS happened is a result of the Will of Allah (SWT) *, but by changing the world we are only operating within the Will of Allah (SWT) * because He gave us the ability to choose through His Qadr. It is a different matter however that we disobey His laws such as for example 'failure to pray', again this happens not in accordance to His Will (Qadza) but it does happen in accordance with His Will (Qadr).
It is the IS and the HAS that will settle your dilemma.**
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This question can be asked of any god and the answer is the same...and that is...........drum roll please....
even the deed of trying to change the world is god's will, so nothing wrong with it!
Thats really confusing...so even going against god will...is actually gods will??
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Im still not getting my answer here guys. As someone above said that i think Allah to have characteristics of humans ( naozubillah ).. I do not believe that. However, i do believe that everything that happens is because of His will. So the question remains.... will we not be going against the wishes of Allah if we try to change the way this world works..?
an example of it would be people who are born and raised in poor countries.. such as countries in africa.. now , that is Allah's will to make them poor.. if we try and make an effort of changing it ... then in other words...isnt it fighting against Allah's will??
ps: thanks for all the answers here guys.. but i still am not able to satisfy myself with those answers... a little more elaboration would be appreciated.
Re: isnt it fighting against Allah's will..?
Im still not getting my answer here guys. As someone above said that i think Allah to have characteristics of humans ( naozubillah ).. I do not believe that. However, i do believe that everything that happens is because of His will. So the question remains.... will we not be going against the wishes of Allah if we try to change the way this world works..?
an example of it would be people who are born and raised in poor countries.. such as countries in africa.. now , that is Allah's will to make them poor.. if we try and make an effort of changing it ... then in other words...isnt it fighting against Allah's will??
ps: thanks for all the answers here guys.. but i still am not able to satisfy myself with those answers... a little more elaboration would be appreciated.
Peace FrozenFire
Now you have set a better question.
1) What is good or bad better or worse for a people only Allah (SWT) Knows, however, we have guidelines to operate by.
2) Guidelines for the poor who want to be richer ... their test from Allah (SWT) is to be patient, the guidelines for the rich is however to observe charity and through it we can see the poor getting a share from the wealth that Allah (SWT) gave us in the first place, the only difference is that He made us vessels to provide that rizq to the poor.
3) By giving charity we are fulfilling a test, even though it was the Will of Allah (SWT) to make someone poor, it does not mean it is not the Will of Allah (SWT) to make poor people rich as long as the way we are making them rich does not involve haraam actions. For example, lottery, gambling, theft ... all of these are against the Qadza of Allah (SWT) and should we do them we will be punished, however, if we give charity to make others rich then we will be Rewarded even though it was Allah (SWT) who made those people poor.
4) Treat everything like a test. Allah (SWT) has also given us the ability not only to disobey Him, but also to change nature ... This ability in the general sense should not be exercised. Allah (SWT) tells us not to alter nature.
5) Some things are impossible for us to achieve, other things that we can achieve are subject to punishment or reward depending on if they are allowed or promoted by an Islamically legal framework.
6) We are judged not by our actions alone, rather we are judged by out intention behind our actions. A good intention with a bad action is not acceptable, nor is a bad intention with a good action, both intention and action need to be good. The good is defined by the Qur'an and that is the Qadza of Allah (SWT).
7) It may be true that a people are being punished by Allah (SWT) for their transgressions, but it doesn't change the fact that we are supposed to help them in their times of need.
Suffering in Islam comes from three established concepts:
a) No good comes to a people except that it is from Allah (SWT) and no evil befalls a people except that they brought it upon themselves.
An example of this is global warming
b) Both blessings and hardship befall a people as tests ... in the state of blessing we are tested for the requirement to be thankful, when in hardship we are tested for the requirement to be patient.
An example of this is wealth and/or poverty
c) Those whose lives end this world in a state of injustice, they will receive their justice in the Hereafter.
Two examples of this is when a small child dies in a natural disaster. Or when a criminal is tried and punished with the death sentence. The crime committed requires a balance i.e. the punishment, but then any punishment in this world reduces the punishment in the Hereafter.
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In addition ... to elaborate further ...
We should closely contemplate point 4) above ... If people half way across the world have been hurt in a volcano, what should we do to help?
The people who survived the volcano ... they think we should mend our ways
The people who have died from the volcano ... on Aakhira they will say either we were saved from becoming tyrrants or our trial or punishment on Judgement Day is reduced because we died like that.
You see the same incident is a test for different people in different ways. We can't assume Allah (SWT) meant such and such by makin a people poor, except that we always assume that He meant it for us, to give them charity. To assume otherwise would be missing the opportunity of earning Reward.
Think that had Allah (SWT) not made any poor people then there would be no means to earn Reward by charity ... because there would be no need for charity. This argument extends on and on ...
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Peace FrozenFire
Now you have set a better question.
1) What is good or bad better or worse for a people only Allah (SWT) Knows, however, we have guidelines to operate by.
2) Guidelines for the poor who want to be richer ... their test from Allah (SWT) is to be patient, the guidelines for the rich is however to observe charity and through it we can see the poor getting a share from the wealth that Allah (SWT) gave us in the first place, the only difference is that He made us vessels to provide that rizq to the poor.
3) By giving charity we are fulfilling a test, even though it was the Will of Allah (SWT) to make someone poor, it does not mean it is not the Will of Allah (SWT) to make poor people rich as long as the way we are making them rich does not involve haraam actions. For example, lottery, gambling, theft ... all of these are against the Qadza of Allah (SWT) and should we do them we will be punished, however, if we give charity to make others rich then we will be Rewarded even though it was Allah (SWT) who made those people poor.
4) Treat everything like a test. Allah (SWT) has also given us the ability not only to disobey Him, but also to change nature ... This ability in the general sense should not be exercised. Allah (SWT) tells us not to alter nature.
5) Some things are impossible for us to achieve, other things that we can achieve are subject to punishment or reward depending on if they are allowed or promoted by an Islamically legal framework.
6) We are judged not by our actions alone, rather we are judged by out intention behind our actions. A good intention with a bad action is not acceptable, nor is a bad intention with a good action, both intention and action need to be good. The good is defined by the Qur'an and that is the Qadza of Allah (SWT).
7) It may be true that a people are being punished by Allah (SWT) for their transgressions, but it doesn't change the fact that we are supposed to help them in their times of need.
Suffering in Islam comes from three established concepts:
a) No good comes to a people except that it is from Allah (SWT) and no evil befalls a people except that they brought it upon themselves.
An example of this is global warming
b) Both blessings and hardship befall a people as tests ... in the state of blessing we are tested for the requirement to be thankful, when in hardship we are tested for the requirement to be patient.
An example of this is wealth and/or poverty
c) Those whose lives end this world in a state of injustice, they will receive their justice in the Hereafter.
Two examples of this is when a small child dies in a natural disaster. Or when a criminal is tried and punished with the death sentence. The crime committed requires a balance i.e. the punishment, but then any punishment in this world reduces the punishment in the Hereafter.
I can get whr u r cuming 4rm sum angles, but just 1 point whr u say tht good only comes from allah, but any evil that falls cimes from us. But how is that???? lets give an examsple of teh dajjal which will be grt test to mankind, he will . e.tc. e.tc allah created it, he told us of his coming, he is not coming because we asked him 2,
Many ppl are suffering from evil that has befallen them, as a consequence of other ppl, it is not their fault, cud u plz elaborate on this.
This is such a complex issue any replies are very much appreciated
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Im still not getting my answer here guys. As someone above said that i think Allah to have characteristics of humans ( naozubillah ).. I do not believe that. However, i do believe that everything that happens is because of His will. *So the question remains.... will we not be going against the wishes of Allah if we try to change the way this world works..? *
**an example of it would be people who are born and raised in poor countries.. **such as countries in africa.. now , that is Allah's will to make them poor.. if we try and make an effort of changing it ... then in other words...isnt it fighting against Allah's will??
Allah swt wanted some people to be born poor but it does not mean that Allah swt wants them to always remain poor.
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I can get whr u r cuming 4rm sum angles, but just 1 point whr u say tht good only comes from allah, but any evil that falls cimes from us. But how is that???? lets give an examsple of teh dajjal which will be grt test to mankind, he will . e.tc. e.tc allah created it, he told us of his coming, he is not coming because we asked him 2, Many ppl are suffering from evil that has befallen them, as a consequence of other ppl, it is not their fault, cud u plz elaborate on this.
This is such a complex issue any replies are very much appreciated
Peace tweety_pie
Dajjal is a fitna he is not an evil except unto himself ... He is the test that we need to overcome.
When you say that some people are suffering as a consequence of other people, then you are still saying that man causes harm upon himself, it may not be on himself literally but when it states ourselves it is to be to taken in general sense i.e. humans causing harm on to themselves.
Dajjal will only be a harm to us if we choose to follow him, in which case we have brought this on ourselves, otherwise the fact that Allah (SWT) Sends or Allows him to be as a fitna is not the same thing as sending us harm.
You cannot isolate the other two bases either. In addition the source of all good and the source of all evil is Allah (SWT). He has Power over all things.
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I think Gods will is that His creation should follow their basic nature to abide by laws created by Him. One of His laws is that there should be a fair and equitable society. We have free will and other faculties to create such an environment.
Regrading the poor in africa, I would look at them as the same as me but with less money and opportunity. ie for whatever reason I am in my position and they are in that position. If I have such a link with all creation, then I would be following my basic instinct to help others in need. If we all follow our basic nature, then we are following Gods will by establishing a fair and equitable society.
I think in the animal kingdom there are examples of how Gods will is at work. Animals kill for food and for self defence. They go with their basic nature. They also look out for each other.
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As Mirch said up top. We have free will. If we didnt...we could not be judged and we would have no choice to begin with. Hence a moot point.
If you have faith and believe in Hekmah (and I mean truly believe in Hekmah) then this question would present its answer itself. You will feel it in side of you.