Islam's view on family

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Quran 11:45
And Noah called upon his Lord and said: "O my Lord! surely my son is of my family! and Thy promise is true and Thou art the Most Just of Judges!"

we see that Nuh(pbuh) is talking of some promise here....
maybe something like "O Allah! u had promised me that my family wud be saved"....

and the answer to this wud be what Allah answered to Ibrahim (pbuh), as i quoted above, which u took as a stupid comment....
i quote again from the Quran:
*Quran 2:124 *
And remember that Abraham was tried by his Lord with certain commands which he fulfilled; He said: "I will make thee an Imam to the nations." He pleaded: "And also Imams from my offspring?" He answered: *"But my promise is not within the reach of evil-doers." ***

surely Nuh (pbuh) knew that his son was not righteous because he himself talked to him and he rejected Nuh (pbuh) and seeked helpers beside Allah....
so he cud not cry out "my son is righteous" even after knowing he is not....

Quran 24:3
The adulterer shall not marry save an adulteress or an idolatress, and the adulteress none shall marry save an adulterer or an idolater. All that is forbidden unto believers.

now if you put Nuh's wife as an andulteress, wud u kindly tell me which of the two categories mentioned above, as to whom an adulteress may marry, do u put Nuh(pbuh) in????

or do u think that when Allah does not like adulteress women for the believers (common ranked believers), He wud like one of the greatest prophets (i.e. Nuh) to have such a wife????

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Mughal bhai,

just to set the record straight.. I had not called your original comments stupid.. i had called your calling my comments stupid, stupid.

However, your insinuation that Nuh's reference was to a promise Allah made to Ibrahim baffles me:

  1. The verse 2:124 is about making Imams out of Ibrahim's progeny and not just general salvation.

  2. Ibrahim came AFTER Nuh!!

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surely Nuh (pbuh) knew that his son was not righteous because he himself talked to him and he rejected Nuh (pbuh) and seeked helpers beside Allah.... so he cud not cry out "my son is righteous" even after knowing he is not....
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Excellent, so u agree Nuh would only call out to him because Nuh believed members of his family were included in the pardon.. so his son must be included right??

But then Allah tells Nuh what Nuh doesn't know that his son is NOT of his family thus the promise didn't cover him.

so what are we arguing about then?

as for Nuh's wife being unfit for marriage to Nuh, seriously. mughal bhai jaan, what she did is considered adultery only when she's already married to Nuh!!!

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as long as the inequity and uncultured defamation and discrimination of the female gender in the form of 1 man 4 wives exists, i feel any talk of value of family and islam in the same breadth is hypocritical and disingenious.

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*Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad: *
Mughal bhai,

just to set the record straight.. I had not called your original comments stupid.. i had called your calling my comments stupid, stupid.

However, your insinuation that Nuh's reference was to a promise Allah made to Ibrahim baffles me:

  1. The verse 2:124 is about making Imams out of Ibrahim's progeny and not just general salvation.

  2. Ibrahim came AFTER Nuh!!

Excellent, so u agree Nuh would only call out to him because Nuh believed members of his family were included in the pardon.. so his son must be included right??

But then Allah tells Nuh what Nuh doesn't know that his son is NOT of his family thus the promise didn't cover him.

so what are we arguing about then?

as for Nuh's wife being unfit for marriage to Nuh, seriously. mughal bhai jaan, what she did is considered adultery only when she's already married to Nuh!!!
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In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.

011.040
YUSUFALI: At length, behold! there came Our command, and the fountains of the earth gushed forth! We said: "Embark therein, of each kind two, male and female, and your family - except those against whom the word has already gone forth,- and the Believers."

In verse 11:40, Allah mentions "except those against whom the word has already gone forth" right after stating Nuh's family and before mentioning the Believers this clearly indicates that Allah is specifically addressing Nuh's family, "Embark therein, of each kind two, male and female, and your family - except those against whom the word has already gone forth,- and the Believers."

You want everyone to believe that Nuh's son was not his own, but if we look at verse 011:040, Allah mentions that a/some member(s) of Nuh's family should not be allowed to "embark therein". It indicates that/those member(s) are amongst "those who do wrong!" (verse 011:044).

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Different,

Nuh was aware of Allah's verdict about the wrongdoers in his family and that they shouldn't embark, YET he reminds Allah of two things:

  1. Surely my son is of my family (referring to Allah's orders to carry his family with him)

  2. That Allah made a true promise and is the Best of Judges. (thinking his son was of the 'just')

Allah however responds back:

  • Surely Nuh's son was not of his family
  • Surely he was from a deed unrighteous
  • And Nuh shouldn't argue about what he has no knowledge

So why are we overlooking the possibility that Nuh's son was both:

  1. Not his son
  2. Unbeliever