Islamist Taliban, Hizbullah, Shabab, Hamas, Muslim brthrhood funded by RAW, Mossad???

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Question from the guppies?

Are the Islamist militants like Taliban, Hizbullah, Shabab, Hamas, Muslim brotherhood funded by RAW, Mossad, CIA these days???

Many in Pakistan want to say Islamists Taliban militants are funded and supported by RAW, Mossad, CIA etc. etc. etc.

It is time to explore if similar organizations in other countries are also supported by RAW, Mossad!

Or it is only that Taliban are on the take, while

Hamas, Hizbullah, Shabab are the Pure Islamists because they DO not be getting money from RAW and Mossad?

And if on the Taliban are “impure Islamists militants”, then why?

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Re: Islamist Taliban, Hizbullah, Shabab, Hamas, Muslim brthrhood funded by RAW, Mossa

Simple answer is No. These are merely cock and bull stories floated by some fame seeking nuts.

Look at it this way - in the last 1 week there have been serious attacks almost everyday and spread out with Pakistan including GHQ. Can RAW and Mossad have built infrastructure and make this much happen in spite of decades of dictatorial vigil within Pakistan? This much effectiveness or discipline is simply not in our Indian government or Indian blood for that matter. Our establishment can't make a functioning tank in over 4 decades and politicos are the worst bumbling idiots. Don't get me wrong, I love India and wouldn't hav it any other way (Yadav speaking is so much funner than Mr.Bean and Vajpayee or MM Singh speaking is better lullaby than medication) but just cannot reconcile such ruthless efficiency and Indians

Baba ji kehty hain...
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Bhai we all know how an Indian would respond to this thread.

This discussion was focused more on the Pakistanis who have been propagating the Talibhianac-RAW connection.

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Re: Islamist Taliban, Hizbullah, Shabab, Hamas, Muslim brthrhood funded by RAW, Mossa

Don't you think you have over reacted in your Opening,

Hizbllah is funded by Iran, this is an open secret Israel have accused Iran for this

Hamas normally get their funds from the Paletinians abroad, PLO use get the funds but with the stories of their corruption the sympathy of palestinians diverted towards hamas, now these funds are not smaller, palestinians can b found in almost all the countries in this planet, they contribute heavily and they orgnazitional structure to send these funds back home. but because they don't have western backing against Israel, we only see home made and un-sophisticated rockets, arms and ammunation...

which explains alot

Now Talibans are different breeed, no body knows how they manage to get their money to buy, train and feed themselves on the ransom and money collected from these crimes. in Pakistan...

It is like few people were there in West & East Pakistan who used to believe and argue that India is not sponsoring Mukti Bahni but the reality was something else.

TTP, SSP and others like these has received foreign funds, i.e. donors from Saudi use to ( and may be they are carrying out this practise today) fund SSP/Jhangvi to fight Shiaism in Pakistan, the devastating effect of this is evident in 90s, when these scum bags of SSP and Shia military wing use to attack mosques, India in those time never sat back, they took full advantage of the scenario and get their agents in these organization and found it easy to use them for their mission, i.e. destroy Pakistan.

TTP is more sophisticated version of former SSP and Shia Militia, TTP has only one god and that is Money, they are the true believer in Dajjal and they are serving the purpose of evil forces. Now India do not have to get their agents involved, all they need is to hire men from Afghanistan, train them and send them to Tribal belt, these afghanis can dilute in the culture and then they start their mission..

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:k: Spot on!

But you are wasting your energies, this dude has a huge “Burqa” on his “Aqal”.

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They are the mujaheddin when you need them but "true believer in Dajjal and they are serving the purpose of evil forces" when you don't.

When your country needs an army of commited mercenaries to wage war against India and other neighbours, your ISI exploits your own religion and countrymen and brainwashes them into thinking that they are "holy warriors" fighting for Islam and muslims. It arms and feeds them. It keeps them alive to fight in India and take over Afghanistan.

Now when the "holy warriors" apply the same brainwashed minds and attack the west, you suddenly want them either roll over dead or turn into hired mercenaries/"holy warriors" against India and stop being "holy warriors" against the west. You cannot train people to be "holy warriors" and then expect them to behave as mercenaries.

Why would you expect these terrorists not to attack you ? Are they supposed to not attack you or the americans because they are Pakistanis? But how can they undo the Islam over everything brainwashing done by your efficient ISI for the last 30 years?

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The Mujaheedeen of Islam have few conditions attached, they have to honor them, otherwise they'll be no different then other monsters who kill any moving and living thing.

Mujaheedin-e-Islam does not and are not allowed to kill and dishonor Women, Children, innocent men not involved in fighting, soldiers who have laid their arms and prisoners of war and other strings attached..

With all these the Allah all mighty turns them more stronger and their enemy more weaker... but the scum bags we are talking about are even below the human level let alone they are to classified with Mujahideen-e-Islam, no one can be a muslim by name and by same logic no one can call himself mujahid and do everything which is forbidden for mujahid.

The People of Pakistan and myself do acknowledge the Taliban = Freedom Fighters in Afghanistan, but on the same note these So called TTP are the very people who have the task to dishonor the name of those who are fighting for their motherland, these TTP " Mujahid" can be holy warriors but in the books of Hanood and Yahood, who have the task to de-stablize an Islamic country... and if anyone thinks that these so-called TTP are doing any favor to Islam then he is living in foold paradise.

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but we need to keep trying and trying and trying…

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Re: Islamist Taliban, Hizbullah, Shabab, Hamas, Muslim brthrhood funded by RAW, Mossa

there are reports coming from varios quaters that RAW is supporting BLA in pakistan.

Tujh say Nafrat buhat Zaroori thi
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I see. What is your opinion of the so called muhahideen that came into Kashmir and attacked on a daily basis, innocent women children and elderly non-discriminately? they even went into living quarters of police and military - colonies which were teeming with elderly women and children and shot indiscrimately?

Or will you claim that Indian security personnel went and attcked their own living quarters so we can blame the terrorists from across the border?

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Re: Islamist Taliban, Hizbullah, Shabab, Hamas, Muslim brthrhood funded by RAW, Mossa

since when HAMAS or HIZBULLAH started blowing up their own places. Last I remember they gave danm good fighting to Israel. :hehe:

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i think you were told to not to trash the thread, it would be good if you stay out of it with your limited number of topic i.e. India vs pakistan

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Re: Islamist Taliban, Hizbullah, Shabab, Hamas, Muslim brthrhood funded by RAW, Mossa

this denial of reality is very well described in this article.
DAWN.COM | Pakistan | A state of denial

A state of denial
By Shahid M. Amin
Wednesday, 21 Oct, 2009

**The GHQ attack has drawn accusations from several quarters in Pakistan that it was inspired by foreign powers; some have named India and the US among the usual suspects. Such ‘experts’ rarely bother to give any concrete evidence to substantiate their charges, which are based mainly on conjecture. **
They can only argue as to which country would want to hurt Pakistan the most: surely it must be India. Since many now see the US as the enemy, it too, in their view, could be the hidden hand behind the attack. In this particular case the leader of the terrorists has been captured alive. An army spokesman has identified him as Aqeel, alias Dr Usman, affiliated with terrorist outfits based in southern Punjab. The terrorists involved in the attack were apparently trained in South Waziristan.
**Will the spokesman’s disclosure silence those who see a foreign power behind the attack? Not likely. The conspiracy theorists in this case are the same people who have been claiming that the suicide bombers — who have killed thousands in Pakistan over the last few years — could not be Muslims. They ignore the reality that many of the suicide bombers have been identified and found to be part of Islamist extremist groups such as the Taliban. **
Similarly, some conspiracy theorists believe that Al Qaeda does not exist and the Sept 11, 2001 attacks were the handiwork of Israeli agents. The fact that Osama bin Laden has taken responsibility for 9/11 and all those involved in it were Arab nationals has not deterred the ardent believers of conspiracies.
How should one explain such a state of denial? It is not a case of not knowing the facts. Actually, the conspiracy theorists do not want to believe anything that comes in the way of their firmly held views: firstly, that the US, Israel and India are the arch enemies of Muslims; secondly, that the militants involved in the struggle against anti-Islam forces must be absolved of any charge of brutal excesses.
One can see a clear pattern at work. After every gruesome terrorist act the ‘defenders’ of the terrorists react. They assert that this must be the doing of anti-Islam and anti-Pakistan forces, or of elements within the regime, such as intelligence agencies. Even when the Taliban or other extremists claim responsibility the ‘defenders’ assert that this must be disinformation. It would not be incorrect to conclude that there is a nexus between the Taliban and these apologists, mainly belonging to our religious parties which seem to be acting as the political face of the terrorists.
What kind of mentality is helping create sympathy for violent extremism? How is it that extremists are attracting so many adherents? No doubt, the majority are drawn from madressahs where young boys are subjected to relentless brainwashing. But some supporters are well-educated people. It is important, therefore, to understand the phenomenon of ‘Talibanisation’ since military measures alone cannot destroy Al Qaeda and the Taliban. In the final process, ideas must be fought with ideas.
Over a period of time the perception has developed in Pakistan and elsewhere that the US is following a global anti-Muslim policy. The US is viewed as the main supporter of Israel, which has long been a dagger in the heart of the Arab and Muslim world. The Al Qaeda phenomenon itself developed after the US attack on Iraq during the first Gulf War of 1990. In 2001 the US invasion of Afghanistan and, more notably, the invasion of Iraq in 2003 raised Muslim fears to an unprecedented extent.
In Pakistan, sectarianism has been on the rise for the last three decades or so. But it was under Ziaul Haq that extremism acquired the shape that we see today. He patronised fundamentalism for political and ideological reasons. The Soviet military occupation of Afghanistan was seen as a threat to Pakistan’s own security. The West had its own motives to oppose the Soviets. There was also sympathy for the Afghan Mujahideen whose struggle against the Soviets was seen as righteous. It was not realised, until it was too late, that these militants would turn into Frankensteins. Today’s Taliban are the offshoot of the Mujahideen.
Sept 11 led to the US invasion of Afghanistan. Here another miscalculation occurred. The Afghan people have a long tradition of opposing all foreign invaders and history is now repeating itself. Thus, the US and Nato forces are facing a war of national resistance which the Taliban have converted into a ‘jihad’ in the Pakhtun areas. Ethnic Pakhtuns also live on the Pakistani side of the border, thus extending the area of conflict to our tribal belt. Vital support is also coming from sympathisers affected by Talibanisation.
To counter Talibanisation and the religious fanatics, it needs to be emphasised, firstly, that they have done a grave disservice to Islam’s image by their senseless violence and brutality. Secondly, the rampant anti-Americanism that is providing so many recruits for Al Qaeda can be countered by recalling some historical facts. The US invasion of Iraq in 1990 was due to Iraq’s occupation of Kuwait, an Arab and Muslim neighbour. In that war the UN and the majority of Arab and Muslim states had supported the US.
In 2001, it was the terrorism of 9/11 that resulted in the US invasion of Afghanistan and not vice versa. The liberation of Muslim Bosnia and Kosovo in the last decade was secured by the US, whose support for the Mujahideen had earlier secured Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan. Even in the case of Israeli aggression against the Arab countries, it was the US that twice secured Israeli withdrawal from Sinai. The US also secured Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank and Gaza in 1994 that allowed the PLO to return and form a Palestinian Authority in those territories.
Nevertheless, the onus lies on the US to rehabilitate its image in the Muslim world. It must end its blind support for Israel. The US withdrawal from Iraq must be expedited. The US should play a role to help resolve the Kashmir dispute. Barack Obama has a historic opportunity to change the Bush-era policies and build bridges between the US and the Muslim world. It remains to be seen how far he can rise to the occasion.

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Correction!

------ Taliban are the same religious breed like Hizbullah and Hamas.

----- Taliban too get "money" from the handlers who belong to a particular sect.

However some terror-sympathizers will continue to say that

Hizbullah is pure and get pure money from Iran.
Hamas is pure and gets pure money from Gulf/Saudi charities

But Taliban being desi, are impure even though they get money from gulf/saudi charities.

And in order to prove that Taliban are desi impures, they must be associated with RAW and Mossad.

Wow. Taliban are a different breed (in the eyes of those who are closet sympathizers).

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The thing is that even the people who claim that 9/11 is handiwork of Osama have failed miserably in providing concrete proof of ALQ’s direct involvement, why do people expect to see “concrete proof” for these charges?

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What proof do you require?

Khalid Sheikh Muahmmed, OBL, Zawahiri and the rest have openly acknowledged they plotted and carried out 9/11.

Why are you in this denial mode. I would expect this kind of conspiracy nonsense form Hanibal or marasi_dee but not you Captain1

Rangeelay
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Well you are right when you compare Hizbullah with TTP, but they are different in terms that Hizbullah enjoy lots of public support which they have won after years of social work and their resistance against Israeli occupation... Hizbullah runs many hospital, schools and other welfare institutes

but yes, when it comes to the poltical interest etc! then hizbullah black mail the regional powers and lebanese govt as well, they always back Iran's point of view..