Re: [Islamic Ruling] Woman's right to separate housing
^ i personally feel that the separate residence ruling comes when a person has more than one wife....
since he cannot keep two wives in the same house, and he has to be fair with both wives, he has to get a separate house for both....
and if he has old parents to look after, he shud think before getting so many wives....
plus it wud be good if u bring in your sources (based on Quran and Hadith) for supporting the right of a woman demanding a seprate house....
Re: [Islamic Ruling] Woman's right to separate housing
I think the link in the first post answered and explained the issue very well.
two situations :
Husband and wife living with parents. (parent's residense)
Parents living with son and daughter in law. (son's house)
I guess there could not be an objection in second case. A man can keep parents in his house at will if they need constant attention and care. Wife can not object in this situation, its his house, his parents and his responsibility. Wife has no rights to speak against this arrangement.
In the first case, the house is not the property of husband and thus he has no authority over who may live in that house. There can be some OR many *Na-mehram *relatives living in that place. In this situation a muslim woman can feel un-easy and forsee violation of her privacy, and can rightly demand separate lodging from husband according to his means and status. I see no wrong in this demand.
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2. Parents living with son and daughter in law. (son's house)
I guess there could not be an objection in second case. A man can keep parents in his house at will if they need constant attention and care. Wife can not object in this situation, its his house, his parents and his responsibility. Wife has no rights to speak against this arrangement.
Re: [Islamic Ruling] Woman's right to separate housing
As a husband/man you may not find any problem or may not realize what the wife and mother in-law may go through all day with each other. To a husband all such problems could be easily worked out; however, such is not the case. Had it really been that way, then I'm sure there would've been an Islamic ruling outlawing a wife requesting for a separate residence.
*In addition, what if the wife has old parents that are to be looked after, would the husband be willing to move in with the wife's parents or would he be willing to have his wife's parents move in with him? *
If Islam has given a wife the freedom to choose under the circumstances that a husband can afford and accomodate her, then why put a restriction on it?
I brought this same thing up in life 1...NO ONE answered my question. everyone just ignored it because the sad thing is....in our so-called desi culture the answer would be NO but no one wants to admit that. In our culture the girl has to give up her parents....even if they are old. !! so sad!
I'm still waiting for an answer!! I have and elderly mom who says she wont live with her daughters (we are 3 sisters). So i guess I wont be getting married because someone will have to look after her. I have yet to find a guy who will take me and my mom in.
Re: [Islamic Ruling] Woman's right to separate housing
two situations :
Husband and wife living with parents. (parent's residense)
Parents living with son and daughter in law. (son's house)
I guess there could not be an objection in second case. A man can keep parents in his house at will if they need constant attention and care. Wife can not object in this situation, its his house, his parents and his responsibility. Wife has no rights to speak against this arrangement.
In the first case, the house is not the property of husband and thus he has no authority over who may live in that house. There can be some OR many *Na-mehram *relatives living in that place. In this situation a muslim woman can feel un-easy and forsee violation of her privacy, and can rightly demand separate lodging from husband according to his means and status. I see no wrong in this demand.
I dont have a problem with elderly parents living in MY house. The situation is a bit different. Especially for girls that where hijab. You have more control over non-mahrams coming into your home. Imagine your wife having to wear hijab 24/7 because she is living in a house with her bro-in-laws? It's avery uncomfortable situation for her dont you think?
Taking care of elderly parents is one thing.....but having to live with your husband's entire family (which is most likely the case with desi's) especially with non-mahrams is completely different.
Re: [Islamic Ruling] Woman's right to separate housing
A lot of these issues can be resolved more by common sense and basic courtesy, rather then legislation. Several of my friends have their wife's parents live with them because they are old. In many instances, depending upon the situation, parents of both the husband and wife, stay with different children throughout the year to give all of them the opportunity to serve them. Ofcourse, if one is an only child, that will be different.
However, as explained in the first post, while the wife has a right to a separate "dwelling", according to the rules, it doesn't necessarily have to be a separate home. If the husband can afford it, they can have multiple homes in different parts of the world.
Re: [Islamic Ruling] Woman's right to separate housing
However, as explained in the first post, while the wife has a right to a separate "dwelling", according to the rules, it doesn't necessarily have to be a separate home. If the husband can afford it, they can have multiple homes in different parts of the world.
I have seen families that do that....and that usually works out the best.
oh and....May Allah bless your friends for having their wife's parents live with him. :) Not too many guys like that around.
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I'm still waiting for an answer!! I have and elderly mom who says she wont live with her daughters (we are 3 sisters). So i guess I wont be getting married because someone will have to look after her. I have yet to find a guy who will take me and my mom in.
Any takers!! ? :D
I have seen that when the parents get old, its only the daughters who take care of their parents. Most of them leave their own homes live with the ailing parents.
Re: [Islamic Ruling] Woman's right to separate housing
armughal bhai, I do not have any Quranic verses or ahadith to back myself up at the moment. However, I used the fatwa that Faisal bhai has posted to my aid.
Given that you are familiar with Arabic, perhaps you can make reference to the Quran and explain the verses in a more appropriate manner that shows the ruling applies for multiple women.
In addition, what should be the recourse when the in-laws and the wife live in the same house, but the wife does not get along well with in-laws and vice versa. What should be done in such a case?
Also, a woman has to leave her parents to move in with the husband. If she does not have brothers her parents are left alone with no one to look after them. What should be done in such a case? Should the parents of the wife and the husband be living in the same house along with the couple? Would a husband be willing to move in with the wife's parents or have them live with the couple if need be? I'll await the responses. (p.s. This is not directed to armughal bhai, but a general query)
Re: [Islamic Ruling] Woman's right to separate housing
yes you are right....usually it is the daughters that take better care of their parents then the sons. I am 1 of 3 sisters...My mother says that she wouldnt trade her 3 daughters for 10 sons because she knows that we would provide and care for her even better then any son would. I just wish our desi aunties and uncles would see it the same way. They are forever praying to have sons so that they can have someone to take care of them. The truth is they arent the ones that have to take care of them it's usually their DIL that does....at least a good DIlL/wife would.
Re: [Islamic Ruling] Woman's right to separate housing
Only reasons desis pray for sons is coz htey'll traditionally bring in more money. That's how desis are, they are so fking kanjoos that they will afsos over a daughter because she wont bring in enough money as a boy.
Re: [Islamic Ruling] Woman's right to separate housing
True but this attitude is our heritage. That exactly how our society is. Let me tell you. You people claim of gaining independence in 1947 but till today, you all exactly follow the Hindu rituals. And then you claim to be different.
We are proud of our Dharma and we like boys. Women who have no share in inheritance and can only "take away" and "bring in" to whatever home they go. We Indians are perfectly okay with this.
Re: [Islamic Ruling] Woman's right to separate housing
We are proud of our Dharma and we like boys. Women who have no share in inheritance and can only "take away" and "bring in" to whatever home they go. We Indians are perfectly okay with this.
what happens to the sons that get married and move out of the house. They end up spending their inheritence on their wife and kids. Do parents want sons like that? or would they rather have a daughter with no money take care of their every need. emotionally?
Re: [Islamic Ruling] Woman's right to separate housing
Boys have to inherit and obtains. It is the duty of the girl's father to do Kunhiya daan and that requires giving a lot of dowary to his daughter since his daughter is now leaving him forever and cannot come back since she will be the property of her husband now.
To answer your question, boys inherite from two sources.
1) Their father's leftover
2) Dowary
what you refer to is daily spening and if you have lived alone independently, you should know that one person living alone and many people living together have almost the same expenditure.