Islamic Position on Women Leaders - Part 2

This is a long post, forgive me…
Since I am no scholar of Islam (and don’t pretend to be) I am utilizing the works of other scholars to support the point of view postulated in the original post. Most of the ideas come from Jamal Badawi’s paper on Gender Equity in Islam and Dr Hassan’s paper on Women in Islam. Weather you agree with them or not is your choice. I think we should keep in mind that traditional scholars were not infallible human beings, they did make judgments which reflected their own normative viewpoints and they made these judgments specific to a certain time period. The intellectuals I am quoting here (and have in the past) are looking to reopen the doors to ijtehad and re-examine Islam and breathe new life into a religion which has been turned into an institutionalized dogma. Here are there arguments refuting the traditional scholars perspective on the exclusion of women leaders:

  1. The Quranic Argument: According to Canadian Muslim scholar, Jamal Badawi, “[t]here is no text in the Quran or Sunnah that precludes women from any position of leadership, except in leading prayer (however, women may lead other women in prayer), due to the format of prayer…[T]here are exceptions even to this general rule…” (Jamal Badawi, Gender Equity in Islam) . He goes on to write that “[t]here is no evidence from the Quran to preclude women from headship of state. Some may argue that according to the Quran (4:34), men are the protectors and maintainers of women. Such a leadership position (responsibility, or qiwamah) for men in the family unit implies their exclusive leadership in political life as well. This analogy, however, is far from conclusive. Qiwamah deals with the particularity of family life and the need for financial arrangements, role differentiation, and complementary of the roles of husband and wife. These particularities are not necessarily the same as the headship of state, even if some elements may be similar. Therefore, a Quranically based argument to exclude women from the headship of state is neither sound nor convincing.”

  2. The Hadith Argument: The arguements for exclusion being discussed in this post are the products of hadith. The hadith Asif2 mentioned, actually differs from the hadith in the original post, and is not narrated by Abu Huraya but rather narrated by Abu Bakr (ra), as follows:
    "During the battle of Al-Jamal (in which A’isha, the Prophet’s widow, led an army in opposition to Ali, the fourth Caliph), Allah benefited me with a word. When the Prophet heard the news that the people of Persia had made the daughter of Khorsrau their queen (ruler), he said, “Never will such a nation succeed as makes a woman their ruler.” According to Badawi:
    “…while this hadith has been commonly interpreted to exclude women from the headship of state, other scholars do not agree with that interpretation. The Persian rulers at the time of the prophet (P) showed enmity toward the Prophet (P) and toward his messenger to them. The Prophet’s response to this news may have been a statement about the impending doom of that unjust empire, which did not take place later, and not about the issue of gender as it relates headship of the state in itself. Z. Al-Qasimi argues that one of the rules of interpretation known to Muslim scholars is that there are cases in which the determining factor in interpretation is the specificity of the occasion (of the hadith and not the generality of its wording. Even if the generality of its wording is to be accepted, that does not necessarily mean that a general rule is applicable, CATEGORICALLY, to any situation. As such, the hadith is not conclusive evidence of categorical exclusion.”

  3. The Prayer argument - Drawing parallels where they should not exist: (According to Badawi)
    "Some argue that since women are excluded from leading the prayer for a mixed gathering of men and women, they should be excluded from leading the state as well. This argument, however overlooks two issues:
    a) Leading the prayer is a purely religious act and, given the format of Muslim prayer and its nature, it is not suitable for women to lead a mixed congregation. This point was discussed earlier. Leading the state, however, is not a “purely” religious act but a religiously based political act. Exclusion of women in one instance does not necessarily imply their exclusion in another.
    b) Even the matter of whether women may lead prayer is not without exception. Prophet Muhammad (P) asked a woman by the name of Umm Waraqah to lead her household in prayer, which included a young girl, a young boy, and a mu’azzin (caller to prayer–who is always male). "

  4. The Jurist argument: Al-Qasimi notes that the famous jurist, Abu-Ya’la al-Farra’ (known for his writings on the political system of Islam), did not include among the qualifications of the imam (head of state) being a male. Add to this list the names of Allama Iqbal, Muhammad Asad, Fatima Mernissi, Jamal Badawi, and countless other modern Islamic intellectuals.

  5. Historical argument:
    a) The example of Aisha taking a lead role in the battle of the camel.
    b) In the incident of Al-Hudaybiyah, Umm Salamah, a wife of the Prophet (P), played a role equal to what we would refer to today as “chief advisor of the head of state.”
    c) The Prophets relationship with the women in his life (Khadijah and Aisha in particular) does not coincide with the conclusion that women should be excluded from the position of leaders.
    d) Other strong Muslim women figures include the Prophets daughter Fatima and wife Zainab - both were actively involved in public affairs (to name a few).

  6. Gender Equity in the Qur’an argument: Men and women are equal in the Qur’an. This is stated on countless occasions. “Indeed, the Qur’an is full of verses affirming the equality of women and men. I defy patriarchy’s theologians to reconcile these verses with any bias against women or even relegation of women to a sheltered – that is, inferior - status,” or denial of the right of Muslim women to lead the Ummah (Dr. Rifat Hassan):

Never will I suffer to be lost
The work of any of you,
Be he male or female:
Ye are members, one of another
[Surah 3:Al-'Imran:195]

If any do deeds
of righteousness, –
be they male or female –
And have faith,
They will enter Heaven,
And not the least injustice
Will be done to them.
[Surah 4:An-Nisa’:124]

The Believers, men
And women, are protectors,
One of another: they enjoin
What is just, and forbid
What is evil: they observe
Regular prayers, practice
Regular charity, and obey
God and His Apostle.
On them will God pour
His mercy: for God
Is Exalted in power, Wise.
God hath promised to Believers,
Men and women, Gardens
Under which rivers flow,
To swell therein,
And beautiful mansions
In Gardens of everlasting bliss.
But the greatest bliss
Is the Good Pleasure of God:
That is the supreme felicity.
[Surah 9:At-Tawbah:71-72]

Whoever works righteousness,
Man or woman, and has Faith,
Verily, to him will We give
A new Life, a life
That is good and pure, and We
Will bestow on such their reward
According to the best
Of their actions.
[Surah 16:An-Nahl:97]

For Muslim men and women, –
For believing men and women,
For devout men and women,
For true men and women,
For men and women who are
Patient and constant, for men
And women who humble themselves,
For men and women who give
In Charity, for men and women
Who fast (and deny themselves),
For men and women who
Engage much in God’s praise, –
For them has God prepared
Forgiveness and great reward.
[Surah 23:Al-Mu’minum:35]

  1. There were no women Prophets Argument: (According to Badawi)
    The absence of women as prophets or “messengers of Allah” in prophetic history is due to the demands and physical suffering associated with the role of messengers and prophets and not because of any spiritual inferiority attributed to women. Societies, to which prophets were sent, including the Israelites, pre-Islamic Arabs and others, were largely patriarchal societies. They probably would have been less responsible to the ministry of female messengers of god. In fact, they made things extremely difficult for male messengers.

Conclusion by Dr. Hassan:

"Centered in God and self-critical, the original Muslims believed that although God had given them the Qur’an and the Prophet
had exemplified its teachings, it was their responsibility to implement its message in the “Islamic” societies that they were
creating. These Muslims read the Qur’an as an “open,” rather than a “closed,” text and strove continually to understand its deeper meaning. This intellectual striving (“ijtihad”) – which Allama Muhammad Iqbal, poet-philosopher of Pakistan, calls “the principle of movement” in history – made the Muslims of the first three centuries dynamic and creative peoples who paved the way for the European Renaissance.

It is a profound tragedy and irony that today’s Muslims, in large numbers, regard Islam in monolithic terms and regard the
“shari’ah” (the code regulating all aspects of a Muslim’s life) as fixed. In much of the contemporary Muslim world, we see the
substitution of traditionalism for the exercise of ijtihad – even a denial of the right of ijtihad.

To me, being a Muslim means renewing the cry of the modernists, “Back to the Qur’an and forward with ijtihad.” In the same vein, it means acting on these words of Iqbal: “The teaching of the Qur’an that life is a process of progressive creation necessitates that each generation, guided but unhampered by the work of its predecessors, should be permitted to solve its own problems.” These are useful guidelines today for the liberation of all Muslims, especially women, from traditional
authoritarianism…

The challenge for contemporary Muslim theologians who uphold gender equality and justice is to analyze and refute time-honored understandings of certain Qur’anic verses and ahadith that have been used against women. Their task is to reinterpret these texts in the light of the cardinal Islamic belief that God is just and that God’s word must reflect God’s justice."

Islam is not a religion of oppression, its a religion of liberation. Why legitimize the oppression of half of our population through the use of weak narratives which go against the grain of Islam. Its time to rid ourselves of these crutches and learn to walk on our own.

Achtung :wink:

[This message has been edited by Achtung (edited March 03, 1999).]

Why the hadith argument is not correct? The statement by prophet seems very clear to me "Never will such a nation succeed as makes a woman their ruler" Even if you take historical context, still you do not expect him to make such generalized statements for political reasons. So logically the hadith argument looks perfect to me from viewpoint of believer (though I am a disbeliever).

"Even if you take historical context, still you do not expect him to make such generalized statements for political reasons. So logically the hadith argument looks perfect to me from viewpoint of believer..."

The point of Badawi's argument was that the statement made by the Prophet (if it indeed was even made), is open to interpretation and should NOT be taken as a "generalized statement" but specific to a certain historical incident. The hadith reads "such a nation" - perhaps denoting the specifity of the circumstance as it related to the Persian Kingdom (where "such a nation" is the Persian Empire).

Badawi further writes that "[e]ven if the generality of its wording is to be accepted, that does not necessarily mean that a general rule is applicable, CATEGORICALLY, to any situation. As such, the hadith is not conclusive evidence of categorical exclusion."

You wrote: "...you do not expect him to make such generalized statements for political reasons." If the statement was made "for political reasons" than it would stipulate a particular political event - making the statement more specific in nature. The historical context in which the hadith was revealed should be taken into consideration before implementing a legal injunction excluding women from positions of political power. Failing to interpret the hadith with such scrutiny would be a mistake. Besides, why can't the Prophet make general statements. He was human. He most likely responded to a query about the Persian empire and did not expect that thousands of years later, followers of his teachings would convulate and mis-construe his statements to serve their own selfish desires and in the process subjagate an equally worthy group of believers.

The Hadith is far from being "perfect" (as you claim), and from a "believers" "viewpoint" the Qur'an is taken paramount to the hadith literature. The bottom line is that the Qur'an does not include any injunction barring women from representing their communities in political affairs (this should be enough to convince a believer and refute the hadith or at least force them to take it with a grain of salt). In fact the Quran does quite the opposite in encouraging believers to practice equality in gender relations.

In the end, taking this weak Hadith over the Quran, is up to the believer. In my personal opinion, hadith's like these have been mis-interpreted to legitimize the oppression of a group of Muslims, in this case women. This hadith along with a greater set of hadith literature is used as a catalyst and propagated by Ulama to subjagate and dehumanize women. These hadith should be re-visited and re-interpreted by today's intellectuals. The interpretation of the Qur'an and hadith was not set in stone centuries ago by the jurists of the past, Islam is not an immutable mono-lithic set of do's and don'ts, its open to ijtehad. And Allah has given us the right and intellect to examine His message and apply it to our daily lives in an acceptable form - acceptable to both Allah and believing Muslims (men and women).

You wrote: "...though I am a disbeliever."

I could care less.

Achtung ;)

Assalamualaikum.

I've mentioned before that Allah SWT have not
sent any female prophet, although I havnt
gone through any books yet or the Quran but
I have asked two local imams and they told me
that its correct that women cannot be leaders
in religious and political affairs.

I found some interesting views pertaining to this subject:

"As to the issue of prayer leadership, a woman can lead other women in their prayers but can not lead men. The reason behind this is to avoid any possibility of temptations, enchantment, seduction, or turmoil in the society when a woman leads the prayer. As to other professions, Muslim women can do them all and take all posts in the public and private sector except being the head of a Muslim State because among the responsibility of being the head of a
true Islamic State is to be the head of the Army leading it in battles."

Question:
I would like to know the opinion of Islam regarding this matter: We recently elected a new comittee for MSA( muslim student association, A college based organization) The elected president was a sister and the vice-president also anther sister. Some brothers argued that in Islam, women cannot hold such positions, seeking justification from one the prophetes (sas) ahadith: " No success for a nation ruled by women" Could you please clarify on this issue.
Jazak Allahu Khairan.

Answer:
Dear H. As-salaamu alaykum. First of all, it is very important to be careful in that, when such issues are discussed, the Muslims should handle them with kindness, wisdom, and
knowledge, and abstain from any sensationalism and negative behavior. Muslims should be merciful towards each other to attain constructive results and unite on the correct rulings. Now, back to your question. If some student at your college objected to the leadership of the
sisters to head the Muslim Student Association's chapter on the basis of the authentic Hadith narrated in Bukhari that: "a people will not succeed if they give their affairs to be headed by a woman", then they have quoted a truthful Hadith in the wrong context. Hence, it is important to explain the Hadith to avoid having it misused in the future. As you know, as
much as Muslim scholars look at the circumstances and the context around the revelation of each verse from the Qur'an, they do the same thing in the Hadith to avoid falling into wrongful interpretations. First, we should understand what "Wallou Amrahom" means (we translated it
as "they give their affairs to be headed by") to see if it applies to your situation. The context of the Hadith applies to the Muslim Ummah on a macro level, and doesn't cover a small group of students. The Hadith correctly refers to the Khalifa or the ruler of the Muslims. That's why, there are no objections for Muslim women to be school principals, or heads of nurseries, or heads of certain departments, and definitively no objections to their leadership of a student group if they are qualified to properly perform the duties. Thank you for asking
and God knows best.

You wrote: "I have asked two local imams and they told me that its correct that women cannot be leaders in religious and political affairs."

Now women are unfit for religous affairs as well as political! Why? Are they intellectually inferior to men? They can't interpret the Quran or Hadith - or they can but their opinions are not worth anything? I personally think your local imams are wrong.
You wrote: "As to the issue of prayer leadership, a woman can lead other women in their prayers but can not lead men."

In an earlier post I wrote Prophet Muhammad (P) asked a woman by the name of Umm Waraqah to lead her household in prayer, which included a young girl, a young boy, and a mu'azzin (caller to prayer--who is always male)." Why did the Prophet break the rules? Why did he allow this woman to lead her household in prayer, including, God forbid, a male! How un-Prophetly, to go against Islam and allow a woman (of all the vile creatures) to lead prayer. What was he thinking? Or is this hadith invalid? This one invalid and the others that oppress women valid. That makes sense, to the traditional Ulama it definately does.

You wrote: "The context of the Hadith applies to the Muslim Ummah on a macro level, and doesn't cover a small group of students. The Hadith correctly refers to the Khalifa or the ruler of the Muslims."

No the Hadith does not apply to the Muslim Ummah on a macro level, it doesn't even apply to the Muslim Ummah on any level. The Prophet was referring to the Queen of Persia, not Muslim leaders - he wasn't addressing Muslims at all. That is if the hadith is true at all.

Another problem I have with this hadith:

"During the battle of Al-Jamal (in which A'isha, the Prophet's widow, led an army in opposition to Ali, the fourth Caliph), Allah benefited me with a word. When the Prophet heard the news that the people of Persia had made the daughter of Khorsrau their queen (ruler), he said, "Never will such a nation succeed as makes a woman their ruler."

Is the fact that Abu Bakr miracously is "benefited with a word" from "Allah" at such an opportune time. All of a sudden, when Aisha takes arms against Ali, he remembers, the Prophet said this. Aisha than contests and refutes him. This of course is covered up by the traditional Ulama. Makes you wonder about the political implications the Hadith had - it effectively suppressed the public voices of the women in the Prophet's life and solidified power in the hands of the men closest to the Prophet. I highly doubt that the Hadith is authentic, if it is its been misconstrued and mis-interpreted.

Why continue to substitute Bukhari for Allah. Its akin to idol worship. Allah has given us His perfect message preserved in the Qur'an. And the Qur'an makes no mention of excluding women from heading a state. It does however mention that men and women are protectors of each other and grants rights associated with equity to both.

Achtung ;)

Assalamualaikum.

The above posting by me was actually a reply from an American Imam to
a lady question if you read carefully. If you still have problem with
it I think you should visit the webpage www.islamicity.org and there
is a section about asking imam and place your question. I personally
dont mind to see a women being head of anything except in head of
state or mufti (I dont think there are any lady muftis any where).
The reason (I think) is because they are weak physically and mentally
to make decision related to the above two post.

Well there havnt come a lady prophet and thats already a sign from
Allah SWT that women cannot be leaders and I think any imam will tell
you the same.

Regards

"May I ask if you ever thought why Allah SWT didnt ever send a lady prophet to lead any particular ummah??"

If we apply this logic then there were also no black,oriental, european or asian prophets either! That means that any people belonging to anyone of the above races cannot be leaders, surely this must be a sign also then? So what if there were no women prophets? The message is clear we are all equal in the eyes of God.

ACHTUNG,

Did you find out about M.Assads translation of the Quran? Is this a recent translation? Please let me know if you find out if it is available.

Also keep up the good work, you have made some excellent points. Its nice to find out that there is someone out there is thinks the same as I do!

Good point Camille. I never actually thought about the contradiction. Conservative Islamic interpretations seem to be very progressive in terms of racial equality, yet actively endorse gender inequality. The racial argument (in terms of female Prophethood) you mentioned is a strong one.

I don't think the Muhammad Asad translation is online (too bad - if you find it let me know). It is available on amazon.com's bookstore site. Its pricey though at $55 US. A few of his other books are available as well.

Good luck in your search, keep struggling.

Achtung ;)

Bismihi Ta'la
Assalam o alaikum

I have a few observations.

It is more so of a regularity to cite Bibi Aisha's role in the battle of Camel, [in relation to womens leadership], whence there is ample Quranic evidence that suggests for her to stay within her household domain, as in Sura al Ahzab, Chapter 33, verse 33. Remember that this Sura was specifically revealed for the household of the Prophet, peace be upon him.

Her role was simply a revolt against the ruling Caliph and merits no consideration when it comes to the role of women. Look up the commentary of Maududi to this aya, and ponder over the regret of Bibi Aisha and also the subsequent rebuke of Umm Salama [another wife of the beloved Messenger] on her role. Perhaps, taking Bibi 'Aisha as a role model when she herself admits her fault, merits a treatment of the issue in all avenues and not just aspect.

There is a divide between scholars on the issue of womens leadership as well as participation. If you wish to read more sources on it, I would suggest an excellent work, Women in Isnal, edited by Afzalur Rahman, Muslim School Trust, London.

Just my two bytes worth,

AbbasAli