You seem like a very confused guy!
Actually i am not, it is you who is confusing things, how can a system can be islamic if the collective wisdom is not as per Islamic Doctrine? it is common sense that in an Islamic System, the collective wisdom of people should be inline with the shairah...
In your post when I asked you that who is going to determine if the government/Khalifa is acting in accordance with the sharia you are demanding you said "people." Now you are saying that collective wisdom of the peope will be based on religious doctrine. Who is going to check if collective wisdom of the people is actually according to religious doctriine. Will there be a council of molvis checking if collectively people are taking decisions according to the religious doctrine. What if people collectively take a decision which is not according to religious doctrine in the opinion of some people as you are very well aware that there are several interpretations of religious doctrines.
If collective wisdom decides against and/or not inline of shairah and would like to have it their way, it can be some other system but not Islamic Shariah System...
Again the same question. Who will decide if the collective wisdom is in accordance with religious doctrine?
The collective wisdom has been provided to the man-kind some 1400 years ago, the system can be based on the instruction provided in that manual... now that manual can be adopted by muslims or non-muslims, but the shariah system comes into play when it is adopted completely and not in parts...
Example some women don't cover their heads in Pakistan and consider this as perfectly decent. Who is going to decide what actually the religious doctrine says as it seems you don't trust the people now and you want it to be according to religious doctrine.
One thing you need to understand is, that Islamic system is based on fear of Allah All Mighty and with this the believe comes into the play that He is watching/aware of all our deeds and intentions. An individual comprised of heart, fearful to Allah will not even think about something which is against or not in line of instruction provided by Allah.
Now Allah Subab.o.Talal says have clearly ordered the women and men to lower their gaze and cover themselves in a way that they might not get un-necessary attention of others. Do fearful believer would dare to go against the clear commandments ( for ref. please see Sura-e-Ahzab)
Please be kind enough to let us know this religious doctrine will be from which sect? Who has the final authority to really give the verdict that everything is actually according to religious doctrine. [/quoe]
Islam have not sect and anyone believing in sect is himself dening the basic ruling of Islam that is Unity...
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I appreciate your honesty for admitting that the sharia your are prescribing is your personal sharia and not a single relgious leader in this whole wide world will agree to your idea.
Infact their are few who would agree with me, Dr. Israar Ahmed are amoung the few, on the second note, this is what now majority of Muslim youth talk about.. no sect, Just Islam as per Quran and Sahi Hadees, i don't know about ur social circle but the more i meet the youth of today, the more i get the feeling that sooner or later, Islamic Shariah would be the only answer...
In your previous post you said that every non muslim will be free to practice his religon, but it seems that you are not ready to give this right to muslims. For muslims everything they do on religious front will be controlled by the Khalifa and his government.
Yes, other religions are controlled by their religious doctrine, same applies to muslims, they need to be diciplined and controlled by their religous doctrine.. their will be a particular ministry which will look after all these affairs and a stronger and Just judiciary will make sure that no body is crossing the line.
I am sorry I find all your postings as childish.
I have no control over your feeling and finding, a child always make a toy of every thing, and i gues this is what you are doing..
First you are admitting your idea of sharia in non existent in this world, you have a serious distrust for aalims, moulanas, and muftis.
yes, show me one country/society in this world which is sharia-based? can you show me model of it ( mulla omer and company does not fall it one), why would i trust a aalim who have only one ambition in his life and that is to prove other cult KAFIR, this kind of mindset have turned 2/3rd of muslim world Kafir or confused. I think you do fall under the category of confused ones ( I am basing this argument on the assumption that you are a muslim and is not qadyani, christain or others)
Why in the world are you demanding something which is impossible to achieve. Why don't you come out of your intellectual dishonesty and say clearly that you want a secular system with no relgious apartheid. Why do you want to create a secular system and call it sharia system.
Who said it is impossible to achieve, it is possible, only thing is one have to determined and dedicated for it and practise it. I would rather advice you the same, that you must learn about the Islamic Shairah first and then talk about secular systems of all times.. I are being dishonset and are trying your best to prove that Muslims are now looking forward to Secular system, naming it as Islamic Shairah....
From your postings I admire the fact that you are against the use of relgion for political gains. This is the reason that you are so much against the present day clergy. Don't you think that by invoving relgion in to politics we will do a disservice to relgion because politics as all about disagreements.
Depend which religion you are talking about, in Christainity for example, the religion has no role what so ever in Politics or govt, where as in Islam the religion do influence the politics as it set the basic standards and moral grounds.. by giving the basic right ( which BTW the western world has came to know in last century only) to every individual, depending on his capabilities...
Instead of preaching and convincing molvis, you should focus on advocating a non relgious political system. Why in the world should we take away personal liberties of people in the name of relgion and advocate a system in which relgion becomes political. Why can't we ask people to become tolerant and keep away relgious beliefs when they indulge in politics for the sake of the honour of religion only. After all appointment of Khalifa and gaining power is politics and not relgion!!!
Again you need to learn Islam more, Islam is not limited to praying of five times a day, 30 days of fasting, giving alms to deserving and performing Haj once in life time, Islam is about each and every action of an individual should be according to The Book of Allah All Mighty and instructions/demonstration of Prophet (SAAW). May it a being a father, a clerk, or a Khalifah, everyone have their set of job description which need to be followed...