► Islami Jamhoriya Pakistan Kay Gaddi Nasheen Aur Jageer Daar

[Sannan]

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@muqawwee123

He also told me that as per Gaddi Nasheen’s teaching, Its upto you to offer Namaz or not.

same wordings of my friend’s peer According to him in Quran “Wa Aqeem us Salat” ka kaha gia hay jiss ka Matlub Sirf namaz qaim karna hay na kah Namaz Ada karna
you can see that peer at 1:56 to onward very clearly with shining cap on his head. Actually when i showed this video to my brother he said he is peer of our friend and today invited in marriage and in Mahandi he danced a lot.

[Amal]

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Sannan this is exactly what I was talking about in a thread I posted a few days back but not many people find it worth reading:

A nation divided against itself

People do not seem to be giving any attention to the slavish character of our rural voter which is a bigger danger than a dictator to this country and to democracy as well. Politicians have the majority of the vote bank under their spell of different kinds and thus, while democracy can give us a legitimate government, it can never give us a merit-based government.

Here is a quote from A nation divided against itself

@Amal

A voter who is willing to vote for anyone for a free ride and lunch on the polling day, is the biggest curse on the state. If they are so ignorant and backward that they cannot make a wise decision — on the pretext of being uneducated — than they should not be allowed to vote at the first place. An ignorant voter is not less dangerous than a quack — if the latter is not allowed to practise, than why the former is allowed to vote?

If someone is willing to vote even for a donkey if it is approved by his pir saheb, than the voter himself is not better than the one he is going to vote for.

While we are never tired of discussing relations with the US, defence budget, cutting establishment to size, ensuring democracy, neutralising terror outfits and fixing Taliban, we unknowingly end up underplaying the threat of the whole system being so severely vulnerable to electoral manipulation through the segment of vote which we do not consider at par with us.

[Chicken_Biryani]

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i think Imran khan is nailing it .. the change that we all want and thought would come from the top brass wasnt meant to be .. In Pakistan the change will come from grass root levels , from the villages and uneducated class whose vote always gets misused ...

unfortunately our nation is very far away from true religion and believe so strongly in all this peeri fakeeri fitna ... I really hope with the arrival of Imran khan in power , some attention will be paid to these under priveledged classes..

[system]

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@Sannan

same wordings of my friend’s peer According to him in Quran “Wa Aqeem us Salat” ka kaha gia hay jiss ka Matlub Sirf namaz qaim karna hay na kah Namaz Ada karna
you can see that peer at 1:56 to onward very clearly with shining cap on his head. Actually when i showed this video to my brother he said he is peer of our friend and today invited in marriage and in Mahandi he danced a lot.

respected member…
ppl use this vdo to distort his image,by putting song in this vdo,well this is not a dance this the state of WAJAD,or HAAL THIS IS NOT A DANCE…this is a qawwali session in which the kalam,sufi kalams and manqabats are being sung by qawwals…and by the virtue of the kalam some ppls have this state shown in this vdo they forget where they are wht theyr doing in the state of wajad,or haal…i know u will not understand this as this is a very delicate part of sufiism,aullia karam…by putting song on it is to distroy image of the scholar..

[system]

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@Sannan

This is the true picture of our Saraiki Area
I don’t like this Hassan Nisar but this documentary is truly showing the Blind Followers “dollay shah kay choahay”

Even its SMQ, Gailani or Makhdoom Faisal Salah or Abida Hussain

In Jhang Area (Faisal Saleh’s area) that what ever he will do they will say even "inn kay mazaray apnay bachay, izzat sub kuch " inn par nichawar karnay ko tayyyar hain
So that’s why I say that yah Mazaray Haari kis tarah apni soch change kar saktay hain leekan doob marnay ka muqaam hay unn Educated logoon kay liye jo kah inn logoon ko inn key tamam tar ghalteon kay sath maantay hain.

• Mazaray are saying if our sardar will say give vote to any one we’ll give even its Ullu ka patha, we are slaves as we are living on their land.
• This is so much horrible and I’ve seen this personally but just watched in this video

1. Just listen the bakwas of Abida husain’s
2. Just watch the area of PM (25:00 minute) they got nothing no roads, no gas, no electricity but still vote to Gailani Sb. and now who says that after becoming a separate province, Multan Province will developed quickly
3. "bhawain kuj v thee vanjay vote gailani sb. ko day soon oh sada murshad aaye :hinna:

these ppls are using the dargahs n aulia Allah for their well being …they don represent even a inch of aulia ALLAH…

and its so disturbing that how these politicians use such things for their vote,or for their own favour ,and how they misuse ppl n the power for their own selfish needs,as HAZRAT ALI R.A SAID; GOVERNMENTS ARE THE TRIAL FOR MAN…so these ppls are on trial ALLAH will ask them abt the power he gave them,n how they use them on the day of judgement…

[Patriotgames]

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respected member... ppl use this vdo to distort his image,by putting song in this vdo,well this is not a dance this the state of WAJAD,or HAAL THIS IS NOT A DANCE....this is a qawwali session in which the kalam,sufi kalams and manqabats are being sung by qawwals....and by the virtue of the kalam some ppls have this state shown in this vdo they forget where they are wht theyr doing in the state of wajad,or haal....i know u will not understand this as this is a very delicate part of sufiism,aullia karam...by putting song on it is to distroy image of the scholar..

Going in state of Wajad/Haal is considered haram in Islam.

[Chicken_Biryani]

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^ Thanks for saying this , because of all these biddats , the pakistani nation is standing where it is ...

[system]

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Going in state of Wajad/Haal is considered haram in Islam.

are u alim or some kinnda scholar.????

[system]

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^ Thanks for saying this , because of all these biddats , the pakistani nation is standing where it is ...

i was expecting ur reply here as well.....:)

pakistan is in this state bcuz of ppl like u who spend their time on such things i.e self thought Alims...

[Ali_Syed]

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Here’s one jageerdar:

Dunya News: Pakistan:-Muzaffargarh: PPP MNA attacks hospital to get poss…

According to the hospital staff, MNA Abdul Qayyum Jatoi of Pakistan People’s Party along with dozens of his supporter attacked a government hospital in Muzaffargarh and injured Deputy District health Officer, Medical Officer and two dispensers.

A case has been registered against Abdul Qayyum Jatoi and 60 other accused. According to police officials, raids are being conducted to arrest the accused.

Meanwhile, Pakistan Medical Association Punjab President, Cr Muhammad Iqbal has threatened to start a protest if no action was taken against the culprits.

[Sannan]

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@ThE OnE N OnLy mE

respected member…
ppl use this vdo to distort his image,by putting song in this vdo,well this is not a dance this the state of WAJAD,or HAAL THIS IS NOT A DANCE…this is a qawwali session in which the kalam,sufi kalams and manqabats are being sung by qawwals…and by the virtue of the kalam some ppls have this state shown in this vdo they forget where they are wht theyr doing in the state of wajad,or haal…i know u will not understand this as this is a very delicate part of sufiism,aullia karam…by putting song on it is to distroy image of the scholar..

have you read my post ? What I"m saying in it? I"m telling about the one person who is in so called wajad and says that Namaz is not necessary and now you ll say in Wajad they can say thse things as well Nauzbillah …
and I know better about this so called scholar :cobra:
yah sub paisay he khanay kay lain yah sub dhoong rachatay hain aur politician say ziyada ghatia hain kah jinhoon nay deen ko kamai ka zarya bana lia hay

[system]

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@Sannan

have you read my post ? What I"m saying in it? I"m telling about the one person who is in so called wajad and says that Namaz is not necessary and now you ll say in Wajad they can say thse things as well Nauzbillah …
and I know better about this so called scholar :cobra:
yah sub paisay he khanay kay lain yah sub dhoong rachatay hain aur politician say ziyada ghatia hain kah jinhoon nay deen ko kamai ka zarya bana lia hay

sorry ur simply misquoting mr reply i ws talking abt the dance thingy u mentioned…so don try to put ur meanig in my words…on the other hand,abt the namaz… ur not able to read between the words of the scholar…namaz qaim karo means namz ki pabandi karo,na kai adda karo aik qarz samj kar…
on other thing i don wanna comment..

[Sannan]

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@Ali_Syed

Here’s one jageerdar:

Dunya News: Pakistan:-Muzaffargarh: PPP MNA attacks hospital to get poss…

According to the hospital staff, MNA Abdul Qayyum Jatoi of Pakistan People’s Party along with dozens of his supporter attacked a government hospital in Muzaffargarh and injured Deputy District health Officer, Medical Officer and two dispensers.

A case has been registered against Abdul Qayyum Jatoi and 60 other accused. According to police officials, raids are being conducted to arrest the accused.

Meanwhile, Pakistan Medical Association Punjab President, Cr Muhammad Iqbal has threatened to start a protest if no action was taken against the culprits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgcYHZHcxUI

Tamaam Wadairoon aur Jageerdaroon ka yahi haal hay bhai
aur woh jo salook apnay hareon aur mazaroon ka sath rakhtay hain aap sirf taswar he kar saktay hain uss ka …

[Sannan]

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@ThE OnE N OnLy mE

sorry ur simply misquoting mr reply i ws talking abt the dance thingy u mentioned…so don try to put ur meanig in my words…on the other hand,abt the namaz… ur not able to read between the words of the scholar…namaz qaim karo means namz ki pabandi karo,na kai adda karo aik qarz samj kar…
on other thing i don wanna comment..

I’m not mis quoting your words and I was personally talking with your so called sholar and if you wish next time I’ll make video thru my cell phone and ll upload it here! He simply says that Namaz parahnay key koi zaroorat naheen hay (nauzbillah) aur yah kahi suni baat naheen hay balkah main nay khud iss par uss say bahas key thi ..
Let me repeat it again that that person said personally that “namaz parhna zaroori naheen hay” umeed hay kah aab aap ko samjh aa gai hogi leekan mujhay dar hay kah aap nay yahi kahna hay kah iss ka matlub tasawaf main kuch aur hota hay

[waleedhbk]

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I Dun Wanna See Saraiki Province

[Lilly]

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respected member... ppl use this vdo to distort his image,by putting song in this vdo,well this is not a dance this the state of WAJAD,or HAAL THIS IS NOT A DANCE....this is a qawwali session in which the kalam,sufi kalams and manqabats are being sung by qawwals....and by the virtue of the kalam some ppls have this state shown in this vdo they forget where they are wht theyr doing in the state of wajad,or haal....i know u will not understand this as this is a very delicate part of sufiism,aullia karam...by putting song on it is to distroy image of the scholar..

Exactly , this is the state of remembering Allah which is known "Hadrah" among sufis.

Going in state of Wajad/Haal is considered haram in Islam.

I would suggest you to do more research on Sufisim.

[system]

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^exactly…:k:

[Patriotgames]

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are u alim or some kinnda scholar.????

The state of Wajad makes one lose his/her self control and sometimes consciousness, due to which they start making moves that are objectionable that leads to show signs of Biddat. People under the influence of Wajad would do things that are considered prohibited in Islam because they are in not a normal mental state.

Have you read or heard if our Rasool Allah (PBUH) use to go into Wajad? He never initiated any such act neither he promoted any such act.

[Sannan]

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@Patriotgames

The state of Wajad makes one lose his/her self control and sometimes consciousness, due to which they start making moves that are objectionable that leads to show signs of Biddat. People under the influence of Wajad would do things that are considered prohibited in Islam because they are in not a normal mental state.

Have you read or heard if our Rasool Allah (PBUH) use to go into Wajad? He never initiated any such act neither he promoted any such act.

Exactly :k:
The life of Nabi Pak should be a guideline for us but unfortunately we have quit it and following some new things

Aab kawan walli sarkar nay bhang kay nashay main jhoomtay hoye kah dia kah Vote Gailani Saib da tay hun sada uttay faraz thi gia kah asaan vote Gailani ko daiwana hay bhawain kujj v thi vanjay

[system]

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@Patriotgames

The state of Wajad makes one lose his/her self control and sometimes consciousness, due to which they start making moves that are objectionable that leads to show signs of Biddat. People under the influence of Wajad would do things that are considered prohibited in Islam because they are in not a normal mental state.

Have you read or heard if our Rasool Allah (PBUH) use to go into Wajad? He never initiated any such act neither he promoted any such act.

wajad is not a state in wich one can be delibrately,or by his/her own will…its comes automatically on the person lisnening a kalam based on naats,hamds,manqabats etc…MUHAMMAD:saw2: dosent needed wajad to remember ALLAH..HE IS the MOST BELOVED PROPHET OF ALLAH SUBHANAOTALLAH…MUHAMMAD:saw2: is the SARDAR UL ANBIA,WITH THE MIRACLE OF MAIRAJ…wajd n haal are the state of ppls like us…