Islam & violence

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Originally posted by Girl from Quraysh:
** Good question, maybe you should try answering it for yourself. As I have never yet encountered a religion more misunderstood by the followers of other religions, and as I have never seen the followers of any other religions pressured to such a great degree under the weight of those misconceptions, I think the answer as to why there is such a great need for clarification is obvious.

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I would totally agree with this. There needs to be a greater understanding of Islam within the West.

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Originally posted by Dil he Pakistani:
** I would totally agree with this. There needs to be a greater understanding of Islam within the West.**
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Greater understanding as - based on what?

The west's understanding of Islam is based upon - what you practise & believe in!

And, what you believe in - is best represented by your fiqhs and your books of sahih hadeeths.

You obviously havent read all the posts, its about stopping the STEREOTYPING of Islam by the western media and castigating it as a violent religion. To an average person living in a western society he or she will link the term Islam to terrorism and violence. This is very WRONG in my opinion.

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Originally posted by Dil he Pakistani:
You obviously havent read all the posts, its about stopping the STEREOTYPING of Islam by the western media and castigating it as a violent religion. To an average person living in a western society he or she will link the term Islam to terrorism and violence. This is very WRONG in my opinion.
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Why don't you, for example, explain what Islam's position re:
non-muslims aka non-believers is?
Also - that of women?

After you have done that - you will understand that the stereotying that you refer to is the correct image of islam i.e. it stands for & preaches violence!

You may not agree to the Orthodox position vis a vis:
non muslims & women
but that is your personal preference not what mainstream islam espouses & teaches!

After readng all these posts I think I agree with that Infoman guy. He speaks the truth.

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Originally posted by Chaltahai:
After readng all these posts I think I agree with that Infoman guy. He speaks the truth.
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Get a room with him, will ya!

I love that guy, he rocks!!!

**Who cares about your love life? What does it have to do with this topic? If you're in love with the guy, romance him elsewhere - hire a rubber dingy or something!

This forum is for Religion only.

Sentinel.**

Sentinal yaar, you sound angry. I was just agreeing with Infoman. He seemed the most lucid in this thread.Honestly though, I do feel a bit of attraction to him.

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/wink.gif

a very comprehensive answer to the subject of islam and violence.

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Question:
A study of world history would show that Islam and terrorism are extreme opposites. Then why all this tirade against Islam in Western media? I will be grateful for your comments.

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You are absolutely right. There is no meeting point between Islam and terrorism as practiced by terrorist groups in different parts of the world. Terrorism involves the indiscriminate use of force to achieve certain objectives. In Islam, the use of force is allowed only in special situations, particularly when the Muslim community is threatened by hostile forces. Then again, the use of force in a campaign of jihad is determined by the leader of the Muslim community in a very orderly way. The enemy will be well identified, and the use of force is only a last resort. However, what is happening in some parts of the Muslim world today involving same groups which are often described as "fundamentalists", is not always accurately reported or portrayed. Now let us be clear about principles. Islam does not allow the use of force against peaceful civilians. Moreover, using military tactics against an established government and causing in the process the loss of life among civilians is a very serious matter. There will be some people who will try to justify it on the basis of Islamic principles. What we have learned from trusted authorities on Islam is that such use of force is not acceptable at all. We must remember that God did not allow the Prophet and his companions to use force against the non-believers in Makkah, despite the fact that the believers were subjected to a campaign of persecution that caused the death of several people and subjected many to enormous torture. Moreover, God stopped the Muslims from fighting the non-believers in Makkah at the time of Hudaibiyah stating in the Qur'an that had a fight taken place, the Muslims would have been victorious and the non-believers would have run away. Yet He ordered the Prophet to accept the peace agreement which seemed to be unjust to Muslims. The Prophet declared to his companions that he would accept any conditions which would prevent bloodshed. Therefore, resorting to terrorist campaign in order to change a government is not acceptable although the government may be a bad one and follows un-Islamic policies. However, we must also recognize that there is a sustained effort to associate Islam and the advocacy of implementing Islam with terrorism. This is part of the worldwide campaign to prevent Islamic revival. Therefore, we must not believe any report about Muslims resorting to terrorism tactics, unless we are absolutely certain of what has taken place and why it took place in the way it happened. There is much at fault with news reporters and media coverage of such events.

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And abt these ongoing misconception that Quran teaches violence...beacause it says what is going to happen to those who disbelieve is total rubbish.... If u really have read the first few chapters of Quran you must have noticed in which circumstances did Allah send calamity on his creation...if u didn't notice then well u read Quran to find out what are the flaws in it...i'll tell u one thing if u read Quran with an intention to find knowledge...u'll find knowledge in it ....but on the other hand if u read Quran with an intention to find flaws in the word of Allah...then Allah is going to misguide u completely

one last thing abt the misconception in terms of understanding the meaning of Jihad.

** jihad means...to strive in the way of Allah**

There are different forms of Jihad and its details are too long...i'll give u a cocise account of different forms of jihad:

  1. Jihad bil nafs (struggle aginst inner temptations) this form of jihad is considered highest...and most rewarding.

2.Jihad aginst satan...i.e. struggling against what the satan wants us to do and of course he tries to take us away from the path that leads to Allah. this is regarded second.

3.Jihad bil maal ( to struggle in the way of Allah by helping his creatures through his wealth) i guess meaning is self explanatory. well regardless to say it is third highest form of jihad.

4.Jihad bil Ilm ( to struggle in the way of Allah by acuiring education and spreading it)
this tells the importance of education for muslims and the reward they have with Allah if the use this knowledge to spread His word.

  1. ** Jihad bil saif ** struggle in the way of Allah through the sword...now this form of jihad comes 5th with regard to its importance...and is only allowed if nothing else works....we have got numerous examples where our Prophet Muhammad preferred treaties over wars.

plzz don't call Jihad a holy war...jihad is not like crusades...it is striving to attain the pleasure of Allah and no Muslim can attain that by using Islam as means of terrorism.

Ya'all gotta come down hard on those who think and practice the idea that jihad=terrorism. Man, that takes the high ideals and brings them so low. To an extent, the West is not entirely to blame. To think that what they see is a not serious twisting of a very detailed way of life. The worst ambassadors of Islam are the terrorists. Take the high ground.

In today's world Jihad HAS been reduced to nothing but terrorism by the Jihadi maniacs.

Ibrahim says: greetings of Peace to one and all

Dear Tomasso, maybe this will help you understand the west better.

Tomasso if this is not enough , have go at this