Grits, Why are you so serious ??. I have many friends who practice Christianity (Pakistanis), but they do not have the same way of thinking as do the Christians in other countries. They are OUR brothers and sisters as they respect ISLAM as we respect their faith. CAN this be said of muslim-christian relations in WESTERN society's especially with the MASS hysteria and RACIAL profiling which is taking place ????
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How a Muslim child is prepared in Madrisa!
One says that Prophet was not a violent identity and he took arms only when told by God or Allah via revelation.
Shall we agree that anyone can reserve this right of revelation, declare that he has just met God in the side by room and taking arms to kill someone as a divine wish?
I do not want to use word fraud instead of revelation; I know you people get hurt very easily.
I would like to put up the question the other way.
Why Muslim community needs to stress time and again that they are a peaceful religion? We do not see so many complexes among followers of other religions.
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Why Muslim community needs to stress time and again that they are a peaceful religion? We do not see so many complexes among followers of other religions.
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Good question, maybe you should try answering it for yourself. As I have never yet encountered a religion more misunderstood by the followers of other religions, and as I have never seen the followers of any other religions pressured to such a great degree under the weight of those misconceptions, I think the answer as to why there is such a great need for clarification is obvious.
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Originally posted by anand:
**Shall we agree that anyone can reserve this right of revelation, declare that he has just met God in the side by room and taking arms to kill someone as a divine wish?
I do not want to use word fraud instead of revelation; I know you people get hurt very easily.
I would like to put up the question the other way.
Why Muslim community needs to stress time and again that they are a peaceful religion? We do not see so many complexes among followers of other religions.
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I am quoting you and requesting you to read the first para and then the second. Then think why we have to tell people like you why we are peaceful despite being provoked.
How would you react if I were to insult your father and say that when he says you are his son, he is lying.
Thanks for your attention! I may reflex what I have seen and understood.
Better you tell us your opinion, why Islam is the most misunderstood religion by the followers of other religions? What are the reasons for such misconceptions?
"I have many friends who practice Christianity (Pakistanis), but they do not have the same way of thinking as do the Christians in other countries. They are OUR brothers and sisters as they respect ISLAM as we respect their faith. CAN this be said of muslim-christian relations in WESTERN society's especially with the MASS hysteria and RACIAL profiling which is taking place ????"
So sorry to disillusion you, but, have seen NO examples of discrimination against ISLAM or Arab Americans in my region of US - no MASS HYSTERIA, either, I am pleased to report! I regularly patronize a store owned by two brothers who are Arab muslims - they have been unmolested, their business has not suffered. If anything, it has increased! Who's believing press hype now, hmm?
My family just returned home from worship, and, offer the same respect to all who worship the one true GOD. And, I feel the same respect to those who follow other creeds that promote peace and seek spiritual growth all people.
Our brother who doesn't care if someone burns in hell or not is unenlightened. All true believers mourn the loss of a soul that should worship GOD, rather than delight in that soul's eternal damnation. Not to share one's faith is a sign of shallow foundation. Anger is often used to mask one's doubt.
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Originally posted by mrpockets: Our brother who doesn't care if someone burns in hell or not is unenlightened. All true believers mourn the loss of a soul that should worship GOD, rather than delight in that soul's eternal damnation.
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Welcome MrPockets.
I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments as stated above. We tend to look past this important issue.
So sorry to disillusion you, but, have seen NO examples of discrimination against ISLAM or Arab Americans in my region of US - no MASS HYSTERIA, either, I am pleased to report! I regularly patronize a store owned by two brothers who are Arab muslims - they have been unmolested, their business has not suffered. If anything, it has increased! Who's believing press hype now, hmm?
My family just returned home from worship, and, offer the same respect to all who worship the one true GOD. And, I feel the same respect to those who follow other creeds that promote peace and seek spiritual growth all people.
Peace to all who read this.
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Salaam Mr pockets, glad to hear youve noticed HARMONY within your community. I am not disilusioned as you think, FAR from it. In fact I share similiar views to you but would also add: There needs to be PEACE, JUSTICE & EQUALITY for all wherever one lives. I agree there is ALOT of PRESS HYPE but nobody can doubt it has caused community relations to suffer recently in some parts of the world.
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Originally posted by Grits:
**Are the roots of violence in Islam in the fact that the prophet Mohammed was a violent warrior? Especially when compared with the teachings of Jesus - "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you " (Luke 6: 27-28)
"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, do not resist an evildoer. But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also" (Matthew 5:38-39).
"Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God"
(Matthew 5:9).
I'm sure there are equally peaceful, loving and non-violent passages in the Qur'an, but do they have as much validity when the founder of the religion was a man sometimes prone to violence?**
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why does history so much talks about so many (Christian) Crusades? any idea?
So sorry to disillusion you, but, have seen NO examples of discrimination against ISLAM or Arab Americans in my region of US - no MASS HYSTERIA, either, I am pleased to report! I regularly patronize a store owned by two brothers who are Arab muslims - they have been unmolested, their business has not suffered. If anything, it has increased! Who's believing press hype now, hmm?
My family just returned home from worship, and, offer the same respect to all who worship the one true GOD. And, I feel the same respect to those who follow other creeds that promote peace and seek spiritual growth all people.
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Peace to all who read this.
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no attacks on any place of Muslim worship (mosque)? all were reported in US media
no 'personal attacks' on any "OBL look-alike" people in US? reported in US media.
I hope and wish that ALL of us are peace loving towards others as you mentioned you are.
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Originally posted by Girl from Quraysh:
** Good question, maybe you should try answering it for yourself. As I have never yet encountered a religion more misunderstood by the followers of other religions, and as I have never seen the followers of any other religions pressured to such a great degree under the weight of those misconceptions, I think the answer as to why there is such a great need for clarification is obvious.
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Yes it is obvious. Muslims might not understand what is the meaning of islam and instead hold on to a world from the 7th century as an ideal. Their's is the biggest misconception.
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Originally posted by Infoman:
** Yes it is obvious. Muslims might not understand what is the meaning of islam and instead hold on to a world from the 7th century as an ideal. Their's is the biggest misconception.
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and buddha's ouster from Hindus was not a violence, demolition of mosques in 'recent' history was not violence, Christians massacring Muslims in Bosnia, E. Timor was not violence, and Palestine-Israel are all in peace.
Add to that the persecution (crimes against humanity) of Kashmiri Muslims by the policies of a Hindu Revivalist Government. I think it is the Extremist Hindu Parties who DO NOT UNDERSTAND their own religion.
But instead our friends accuse that Hindus are also violent.
Example is of Buddhists killing sometime in 3rd or 4th century. Our history does not refuse that period. A majority of Hindus do not share the ideology behind these killings. Today Lama, the top priest of Buddhists is residing in India, after his homeland was captured by the Chinese.
Demolition of Mosque was a violent act. In Pakistan thousands of Hindu temples just vanished is never violence!
In Bosnia Muslims first increased their population, by a non stop birth rate, and then start the same trick of demanding a separate country, and go on rampage violence, and cry when given a backstroke.
A cry for Muslims in Kashmir, but we do not listen a single word for Hindus of Kashmir who are first tortured and compelled to leave the state.
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Originally posted by anand:
**The question is why Islam shelters violence?
But instead our friends accuse that Hindus are also violent.
Example is of Buddhists killing sometime in 3rd or 4th century. Our history does not refuse that period. A majority of Hindus do not share the ideology behind these killings. Today Lama, the top priest of Buddhists is residing in India, after his homeland was captured by the Chinese.
Demolition of Mosque was a violent act. In Pakistan thousands of Hindu temples just vanished is never violence!
In Bosnia Muslims first increased their population, by a non stop birth rate, and then start the same trick of demanding a separate country, and go on rampage violence, and cry when given a backstroke.
A cry for Muslims in Kashmir, but we do not listen a single word for Hindus of Kashmir who are first tortured and compelled to leave the state.**
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problem with you is that if I ask you "which violence" you will bring up some history book, I'll say hey it was the mistake of that ruler, you'll say "why he used term Islam"???..... well, why did Hindus demolishing mosques used the term "Hinduism"? How many Hindu leaders "really" blocked the demolition of mosques in India? I wonder. When did Christian countries or the so-called "secular" countries stop massacring of Muslims??? (don't give me BS about the Bosnia and Kosovo)..... but only they'll interfere when Muslims get upper hand in the conflict to "resolve" the issue.
If we learn about the culture of 7th century Arabia, you will understand why there is violence in Islam. The teachings of Islam clearly and understandably reflect the ways of the people of that area and that time. To say the least, violence was very much part of the lives of earliest Muslims.
On the exact contrast, those who practiced extreme violence when converted became men of peace and liberty. They were the ones who suffered the most and its a marvel that they didnt loose their patience....
If we learn about the culture of 7th century Arabia, you will understand why there is violence in Islam. The teachings of Islam clearly and understandably reflect the ways of the people of that area and that time. To say the least, violence was very much part of the lives of earliest Muslims.**
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You could not be further from the truth in making that statement. During the Makkan period, the Muslims were, in fact, hiding that they were Muslims and had to migrate to Madina to escape persecution. Do your homework before making categorical statements.
After some time in Madina Prophet Mohammad (sallallaho alaihe wasallam) received revelation to retaliate in the event of aggression. But the instructions were quite clear that the retaliation must be less than the aggression, otherwise they would be the aggressors.