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Originally posted by honestali:
**Islam is a perfect religion followers of Islam abuse it. It is not fault of Islam that its followers are fraudi people
One more time Islam is 110% perfect religion
no mistake about it**
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Ibrahim says; hmm..you sound like Rani singh from indolink.
My dear Quraysh Girl,
You are right that I am not a learned person and I don’t think that will become learned if I study Islam. Many in the world have no time and they look at the outcome that is violent and carried out under the banner of Islam.
All religions have adopted violent tactics, but majority of them could modify themselves with progress and civilization, whereas it is Islam that has rejected peace.
It is the structure of Islam and Madarasa methods that provide fanatics.
This is not the same in other religions. Islam in nature is near to a sect, where the pupil has to obey the teacher without giving any course to thinking.
Recent death sentence to Dr Mohammad Younas is an example. No one is allowed to analyze history.
AK-47 and 21st century! In different countries Muslims are fighting not for ethnic entity, but for Islamic supremacy.
Kashmir is an example. Can you name a single ethnic Hindu or Buddhist Kashmiri who is on the side of Jihadi terrorists?
Chechnya is a story of heroism for you.
Chechen rebels have frequently used human shelters in war, have kidnapped children of age group from 1 to 6 years, tortured them because they are kafir generation, and for personal satisfaction have converted them to Islam, have demanded big sums for their release.
And you call it Jihad.
You want to say that practical Islam differs from literary Islam?
Rgds
(I will be astonished if this post is not censored.)
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Originally posted by skv anand:
All religions have adopted violent tactics, but majority of them could modify themselves with progress and civilization, whereas it is Islam that has rejected peace.
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Ibrahim says; Hey SKV! You are fond of making silly comments without using one’s common senses!!.
When there is ONLY one Creator , why in the world would there be many religions??
When ALL are violent in the beginning (according to you) than they all MUST have had the same essence ..don’t you think so??
When all most all (except Islam) have changed (even according to you) than it reveals the facts that they are NO MORE THE TRUTH in their essence ( as its originals should be), don’t you think so??
** Hence even according to your claims you have just proven that Islam is still INTACT as revealed whereas the rest have become adulterated according to the times. Which was the reason they were abrogated in the first place!! **
Which is the VERY reason why the Creator ensured Islam to be the First and final message for mankind. Which means IT CANNOT BE CHANGED IN ESSENSE., never ever…got it?
Now your problem seems to be, lack of knowledge on what exactly Islam teaches in essence ( will start a new thread for you to discover what Islam teaches )
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You are not a fool because you have done something foolish – only If the folly of it escapes you.
see my friend mr anand
all the conflicts and the atrocities that you are talking about are true and there have been instances when muslims have been muslims worst enemies but see the point is
you must not take it in a religious conflict or a religious identity
most of these massacares hada political reason behind it and its people greed and thier selfishness thats drives them to commit worst atrocities against thier own people religion has got nothing to do with it
hitler killed so many soldiers and civilians in his bombing campaingn and the war and most of the soldiers that he killed british,french,polish,or russians were also christians?
in the ancient india there were many bloody wars fought among the hindu kings
ramayan and mahabharat are some of the eg where there was so much blood shed where in infact there was a killing among the family
kauravas and pandavs were cousins
there was the kalinga war where again there was a large scale killings and the victims were hindus on both sides
so buddy its not the religion which must get the stick or perhaps make islam a scape goat for the misdeeds of some of the muslims
its human nature ,human greed and our own weakness that leads to these wars and atrocities so please dont blame it on islam
"A wise man that walks in the dark with a blindfold on,
is not much of a wise man.
Have a break, man..Sadam and all those leaders are human and not prophets!!!!
Thats all!!
Guilty or not guilty. Who are we to judge??!
"kaisay na karta usko main pyar, uski haseen main sukh thay hazaar, bichar gayay hum dukh ki hay baat"
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Originally posted by skv anand:
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All religions have adopted violent tactics, but majority of them could modify themselves with progress and civilization, whereas it is Islam that has rejected peace.
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What the hell is peace? is it jewish settlers running around with guns and killing/shooting Muslim children?
Or is it a Muslim man running into a pizza shop and blowing people up(including himself)?
Is it Shiv-sena and hindu fanatics destroying a masjid?
or is it Muslim militants killing hindu pilgrims?
What is peace? Peace is a short lived word for stupidty!!how can Man have peace?
You will say "by making a perfcet system"
now, what if someone trys to get rid of that system? Action will be taken against that human!!
And in the process peace will dissapear!!(this is to show nature of peace)
We fear what we dont know
Know islam and dont fear it!!
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Originally posted by skv anand:
**shelters in war, have kidnapped children of age group from 1 to 6 years, tortured them because they are kafir generation, and for personal satisfaction have converted them to Islam, have demanded big sums for their release.
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Why do you keep saying Islam has demanded this and that. Say the people have demanded it. Don't be such an ignorant liar alright. Islam does not teach killing and kidnapping women and children; on the contrary, before every battle, prophet Muhammad (PBUH) told muslims ** Not to kill women and children and farmers working on fields and do not cut down trees **. And why are you forgetting Slobodan Milosevic and his army committing genocide, rape and murder against muslims? Foolish arguments, that is all.
These type of killings, murdering and spreading violence have not a single bit to do with ISLAM.
Ppl do a lot in different countries but we don't consider them as Hindu, Muslim, Sikh or whatever.We see them as human beings (at least I do) and every single person is responsible for his actions by his own.
There is no award waiting for murderers...This is what Islam teaches.
"Watch your thoughts; they become words."
"Watch your words; they become actions."
"Watch your actions; they become habits."
"Watch your habits; they become character."
"Watch your character; it becomes your destiny."
SKV ANAND
I must commend you for being so brave and labelling Islam.
I am now going to use your reason of thought and hereby claim that you represent the views of ALL Hindus, similar to the way you stereotyped and prejudged Islam.
In line with your logic, it was the Hindus that killed Sikhs during the time of Ghandi in Punjab and it was the Hindus who killed the Sri Lankans and are still killing them today.
Please be stupid enough and try to justify this Hindu aggression!
Now for some REAL facts on Hinduism.
What you seem to forget is that the origin of idolism is very well hidden in a simple theory, it states that when ever the human being of that time found something benefiting among his surroundings, he started worshipping it. From that time began a chain of misleading ness which gripped in itself things like cow, elephant, snake, trees, sun and even the innocent monkey as gods. All that instead of praising their creator.
How is that possible?
Hinduism is different from all other religions of the world in many aspects, but the first and basic difference is that Hinduism is solely based on false beliefs. In Hinduism, sex is life & life is sex ( 1 Billion). No other religion features a cast system, and the untouchables.
Hinduism in India (a well known secular state) is very blind and ignorant. Hindus are basically expansionists, who spread like virus through the land, leaving no resources behind and proclaiming every thing as theirs. A very good example may be the motto of the shivsena, meaning 'the evil force'. Which states that, 'hindustan may rehna hai, to ram ram kehna hai', which literally means that if you plan to go India you must be prepared to convert to hinduism.
A number of fanatic Hindu groups are working in India, most of them working openly under the leadership of the BJP, the current political party ruling India. The following are some of these groups: (you can do a web search on these groups to know more about them).
Rashtriya Swayam Seyak Shang (R.S.S)
Vishwa Hindu Parishad
Hindu Munnani
Arya Samaj
Shiv sena
Bharatiya Janata Parishad
Sant Samiti
Hindu Mahasabha
Baajrang Dal
India is the first country in the world which dubbed its nuclear Explosion Test as "Peaceful" Nuclear Explosion Test. It refuses to sign any international agreement to ban nuclear proliferation. India is indeed a country of varying definitions, like a country which spends more than 30% of it's annual budget on purchasing tanks and jet fighters... and a country where people are so poor that they have to sell their children or obtain their food from cow dung.
The Hindu theory at all times, especially in the periods of India's historic greatness, was one of active assertion of rights, if necessary through the force of arms. It is not for ahimsa (non-violence) and pacifism that Ramchandra stands in Indian (Hindu) religion; it is for an active assertion of what is morally right. Nor does Krishna stand for non-violence!
The communal carnage in India through Hinduism has become a matter of routine; anti-Muslim riots periodically erupt like an earthquake with all its proverbial tremors and, suddenly, all the Hindus are in a fiery molten state. To use a medical term, it is both a pestilence and a malignant tumour because it starts like plague and spreads like a cancer. There have been more than 1700 communal riots in India since independence. If the average is worked out there is a blood bath in India every ninth day. Even parasitic, cows cannot be slaugh- tered, but human beings, citizens of India, are sacri- ficially massacred to propitiate the evil goddess Kali.
V. R. Patel, President of the Maharashtra Hindu Sabha, said : "Muslims are dishonest ; they should be killed and looted. Their dead bodies should not be buried but be burnt." Could anybody have said anything more atro- cious anywhere in the contemporary world? Could anything be more mortifying to 160-million Muslim Minority-more numerous than the combined popula- tion of France and Scandinavian countries.
And you've got the nerve to label Islam!!
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Originally posted by skv anand:
**Christianity urges to pardon enemy.
Buddhism does not recognize enmity. Some of Hindu religious books predict to make all efforts for peace.
Quran dictates Jihad.
Rude criticism, counter attacks but no one has answered the very simple question.
Throughout Islamic history we see only bloodbath.
Ayatollah Khomeiny, Gaddaffi or rest, their killing squads have carried banner of Islam. Is it false that in Islamic world majority Muslim killings are credited to Muslims?
Where peace is hidden in Islam?
Can someone name at least one Islamic State where laws are humanitarian and equal for all?
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O boy, just go read history. By any chance, do you remember a part of history where they talk about "inquisitions" ???
In present day history, do you know what happened in East Timor? you probably listened to "Hindia" radio or "BBC" radio (or similar biased radios)... go and find out yourself what happened there, and what will happen.
What about Serbia/Bosnia? who attacked who? do you have slightest knowledge?
We oughta be Changez like, don't we?
Who killed Buddhists? Islam entered 21st century with AK-47 but who destroyed a nation with atom bombs? boy, your stubborness, your ignorance… huh, pathetic
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you want Muslims to leave their arms and surrender to your friends’ armies? you want Muslims to follow the blind path of ‘New World Order’?? so called “humanitarians” ?
We oughta be Changez like, don’t we?
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Originally posted by skv anand:
...Some of Hindu religious books predict to make all efforts for peace.
Quran dictates Jihad.
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really? did you ever read Quran? it talks about peace, love too. just remove the veil of ignorance and hatred and you will see what the message of "Islam" is and not the message of "Saddam" or "Qadhafi".
True that there exists almost no Islamic state but still many countries are considered "Islamic"... perhaps no one tried to define what an Islamic country is or should be.
We oughta be Changez like, don't we?
True, very true and unfortunately Sikhs murdered their “brother” Muslims!
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Even though Muslim helped Sikhs all the way through.
“kaisay na karta usko main pyar, uski haseen main sukh thay hazaar, bichar gayay hum dukh ki hay baat”
So, Islam is the most peaceful religion!
All bloodbaths carried out in Islamic world, in Libya, Iraq or Iran is not as per Islam.
Is Islam so cheap that any fantoosh like Khomeiny could exploit it for dirty ends?
Prophet urged not to harass and kill women and children in battles. Islam would have been a peaceful religion if prophet had said, ‘don’t kill’.
This is the difference.
I repeat that all religions have modified themselves, whereas Islam has progressed in one case, that it has changed sword to AK-47.
Examples are given that a Christian Europe fought against each other.
Is it an excuse?
In 20th century no European army carried a religious banner.
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Originally posted by skv anand:
**So, Islam is the most peaceful religion!
All bloodbaths carried out in Islamic world, in Libya, Iraq or Iran is not as per Islam.
Is Islam so cheap that any fantoosh like Khomeiny could exploit it for dirty ends?
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anybody can abuse almost any law to his desire. what RULE are 'Hindu fanatics' using to demolish mosques? Does Hinduism say them to destroy Mosques?
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Prophet urged not to harass and kill women and children in battles. Islam would have been a peaceful religion if prophet had said, ‘don’t kill’.
This is the difference.
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Idiot, he TOLD to NOT KILL women, oldmen, children. The difference lies in your own head, how you read and comprehend.
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I repeat that all religions have modified themselves, whereas Islam has progressed in one case, that it has changed sword to AK-47.
Examples are given that a Christian Europe fought against each other.
Is it an excuse?
In 20th century no European army carried a religious banner.
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so you want Muslims to fight against Neuclear arsenal with swords/barehands?
At one hand you guys talk about 'evolution' and at other hand you complain about use of AK-47. In fact, you guys are scared to death of the concept of fighting-jihad thats why you keep complaining that Islam has not changed.
You are coming from no-religion society, so you really don't know what a religion is. Why should religion change?
TRY to think. If you have a computer, and you get FINAL version of Windows (if Microsoft can make an operating system nicely) why would its manual change? This is just one simple example for you to think.
We oughta be Changez like, don't we?
Islam brought the light of civilization to Europe and the world. Please read on…
The Alhambra Palace overlooking the city of Grenada, stands out as the most famous example of Moorish architecture, and perhaps it is the most known Muslim construction all in all. This palace structure was started after the Reconquista, the reconquering of Spain performed by the Christian kings, started. This adds to its aura.
** While the illiterate Christians were advancing, Spain reached its highest cultural level ever, but under the Muslim rulers. The slender structure of Alhambra, the breathtaking details, the celebration of life, the mixture of nature in men’s design, all underline what tragedy the return of Christianity in Spain was to be for centuries to come. **
Alhambra was started as late as 13th century, but Alhambra consists of palaces built by several rulers, each had his own. The carrying idea behind several of the buildings of Alhambra is nothing less than an attempt to create a duplica of Paradise on earth. The romantic design is made up of a mixture of slender columnar arcades, fountains, and light-reflecting water basins. Most prominent is the Lion Court.
Grenada was lost to the Christians in 1492, and when the Reyos Católicos, king Ferdinand and queen Isabella died some years later, Grenade was chosen for their burial. Perhaps the Muslim dreams of Paradise moved even the cold hearts of the two? http://i-cias.com/m.s/spain/alhambra.htm
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Originally posted by skv anand:
**So, Islam is the most peaceful religion!
All bloodbaths carried out in Islamic world, in Libya, Iraq or Iran is not as per Islam.
Is Islam so cheap that any fantoosh like Khomeiny could exploit it for dirty ends?
Prophet urged not to harass and kill women and children in battles. Islam would have been a peaceful religion if prophet had said, ‘don’t kill’.
This is the difference.
I repeat that all religions have modified themselves, whereas Islam has progressed in one case, that it has changed sword to AK-47.
Examples are given that a Christian Europe fought against each other.
Is it an excuse?
In 20th century no European army carried a religious banner.
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What about your "MAHABARATA"?? Whole Hinduism is based on battles and fight.
What about your "KAALI MAA" and "Shera wali Maa" and etc etc. Your Gods are all eqquipped with weapons??! Is this sheer symbolic??! Those devlish frightful faces express JOY, FREEDOM, LOVE AND HUMBLENESS!??
"Think before you talk or talk before you think. Its up to you, boy"
"kaisay na karta usko main pyar, uski haseen main sukh thay hazaar, bichar gayay hum dukh ki hay baat"
All bloodbaths carried out in Islamic world, in Libya, Iraq or Iran is not as per Islam. Is Islam so cheap that any fantoosh like Khomeiny could exploit it for dirty ends?
It is an established fact by now, Skv, that these bloodbaths you refer to were enthusiastically encouraged by various US administrations; you only have to read any writing by Chomsky, Fisk, John Simpson, John Pilger, etc., to ascertain these historical facts. Does that however reflect upon Christianity in any way? No, of course not.
Prophet urged not to harass and kill women and children in battles. Islam would have been a peaceful religion if prophet had said, 'don’t kill'. This is the difference.
So when a group of innocent people are being attacked or persecuted, they should simply surrender their rights, passively give in? I would like to know how many of us would do the same when the lives of our loved ones are being directly threatened..?
In 20th century no European army carried a religious banner.
Perhaps not, but non-Muslim western armies have eagerly nurtured slaughters of innocent civilians when it suits their whim, or chosen to stay silent when such acts occur: witness Rwanda, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Iraq. Merely to keep reiterating that Islam is the only religion that has "progressed" with the aid of an AK/47 seems rather pointless when it has been repeatedly illustrated that Islamic principles do not condone any irrational mass slaughter of innocent civilians.
If I am able to look past the Timothy McVeighs and David Koreshs of this world to better comprehend the real Christianity, Skv, surely you can look past the Saddam Husseins of this world as well to better understand Islam.
My Dear Nadia,
You are sure that when killing squades of Khomeiny were killing Iran Muslim masses in bulk on the name of Islamic revolution, they and that fantoosh Khomeiny were under the influence of US administration! US asked Saddam to wage a jihad against Kurd, also on jihad.
Iran and Iraq fought a counter Jihad for ten years.
Pak’ army jihad against the jihad of bangla Muslim. Cannot Muslim army fight without a religious banner?
Chechens have used the most ugly methods against humanity and you call it generous and name it jihad.
What the hell this jihad is, a peanut.
Throughout history Muslims have fought against Muslims, and you people make noise that Islam means peace. Are you kidding?
And Changez, you better first read carefully, then reply. Prophet urged not to kill women and children.
A religious leader should urge not to kill at all.
Nothing wrong if you people take some rest and find what is wrong with the origin thought. Have courage and reject this mass hysteria!
Law of blasphemy has made you people coward.
Rgds
Well said Ali, seems like our friend skv has just skipped your post. It is his ancestral habit