Islam is wonderful, but "can't stand the Muslims"

A very interesting article.
Michael A. Malik is a revert to Islam.
Islam is wonderful, but I can’t stand the Muslims, Islam for Today

There was a white face in the mosque. You don’t see very many, so I went over and asked if he was a Muslim, “I used to be, but not any more.” he said, “I thought Islam was wonderful, but I couldn’t stand the Muslims”. What could I say except “I know how you feel”. Most converts do.

Of course one meets some special individuals in encounters with the ummah, but how is it possible that in the Muslim world they seem so few and far between? Does my being a cultural alien mean that I am inherently less capable of understanding Islam, or is it just that I don’t understand my fellow Muslims? Why is it that a trip to the mosque so often leaves me closer to despair than hope? Why do I so rarely feel enlightened and uplifted after conversation with my fellow Muslims, yet so often offended by their behaviour, frustrated by their mindless approach to truth, and enraged by the inadequacy of the Islam they expect me to accept? How often I have felt like giving it all up.

Fortunately I was a Muslim for four years before going to the Muslim world and meeting those who feel that Islam belongs to them by birthright, so I early on formed a relationship with God which served to armour me against the ummah. The first time I went into a mosque in a Muslim country, the first thing to happen was that someone tried to throw me out. Now they weren’t to know that I was a Muslim but they didn’t even ask. When I told them, in fact, the first thing they did ask was “Sunni or Shi’a?”, so if I’d picked the wrong one they would probably have thrown me out anyway. I thoroughly confused them when I said I didn’t care, however, and eventually they let me stop and pray.

First impressions last a long time, they say, but many years after having learned by experience the best way to get in, pray, and get out without harassment, it still seems that in a strange mosque a strange face is more likely to be greeted with hostility than welcome.

…] I came to Islam through a search for Truth, but I found that in practice most Muslims give the truth a very low priority, and I can still be shocked by their facility for saying whatever they think suits the conversation best. Along with truth goes trustworthiness, surely an Islamic virtue, yet travelling through the Muslim world I met Muslims eager to sit down and discuss breaking an agreement not two minutes after sealing it with a pious recitation of Al Fatiha [first chapter of the Quran]. And closer to home how distasteful it is to belong to a community so notorious with regard to paying bills.

How about Mercy and Compassion - those words now repeatedly on my Muslim lips. In three years of travelling through the Muslim world, hardly a day passed without some stranger feeling he ought to instruct me in the principles of Islam. In all that time, in all these casual encounters, not only was mercy never given pride of place, but I actually don’t recall it ever having been given a place at all. It is not necessary for my friends to look to the Muslim heartlands, when at home the Muslim example can be confused with “My Beautiful Launderette”.

But they see the Muslim heartlands every evening an TV, with their dictators and demagogues thick on the ground, oppressive and unjust societies, poverty and ignorance. There is no point in telling friends that Islam is a complete way of life. That it is a way to achieve joy and fulfillment in this life, hope and trust when approaching the next, and the perfect basis for a tolerant and peaceful society for all humanity. What can I answer when someone says “Show me!” - “Point to a Muslim country you can use as an example.”

My Islam sees in the [P]rophet endless examples of forgiveness and tolerance, yet my friends see the mindless enforcement of rigid laws and eccentric punishments. I sometimes explain, but could just as well tell tales of Shari’a court corruption and injustice. My Islam insists on individual freedom, there is no compulsion, no priests are needed, and except for piety all men are equal. I kneel before no man, though I will kneel in prayer beside any, and my wealth and privilege is permitted, though charity is to be preferred, and the prophet chose to die a pauper.

My friends can understand and be drawn to such principles, but unless they can see this utopia in a more tangible form than my theories they are surely destined to remain cynical about their possible fulfillment. As long as I can’t show them examples of Muslims living in a way they consider preferable to their own, I won’t worry too much about their conversion. They see my Islam as a pipe dream, and who knows, perhaps they are right. The task is of course even harder when the friends concerned are women, as the clichéd platitudes of Islamic freedom and equality mean nothing when such highly visible inequities and oppression are impossible to hide.

…] “It is necessary to revive that Muslim community which is buried under the debris of the manmade traditions of several generations, and which is crushed under the weight of those false laws and customs which are not remotely related to Islamic teachings, and which, in spite of all this, calls itself the 'world of Islam’” (Qutb - Milestones). It’s time to get back to the real thing - and I don’t mean coca cola.

As I waited to begin my talk to the gathering of young Muslims I engaged in conversation with the group. A nice, quiet, attentive, well-mannered lot I thought. Then time to begin, but the mike wasn’t working, and they waited “Testing! Testing! 123…” for while. Rather than just read numbers, it seemed more appropriate to read some Qur’an - after all, I was going to be talking about prayer. To my amazement, the first words of Fatihah seemed to fall in the room like a grenade, turning the group into a rabble. Punches flew, people rolled on the floor, conversations were attempted back and forth across the room, and Fatihah was generally taken as Time Out. If these were the ones at a Muslim conference, what on earth would the Muslim youth who weren’t there have been like?

Now it’s not that I’m a one for excessive displays of reverence, I see my religion more in a practical kind of way, but this was, which the Prophet called the best of the chapters of the Qur’an, and which Al-Ghazali called the key to Paradise. These words are not recited in every rakat of prayer without good reason. The outward displays of reverence, such as venerating a Qur’an, placing it high up and wrapped away, cannot do justice to the awe and wonder this surah deserves. But if a Muslim does not have a reason for this reverence which satisfies his understanding, the outward displays become hollow and easy to discard.

…] It is as though Muslims are afraid that Islam can’t stand up to common sense questions, yet Fatihah alone can satisfy whatever intellectual demands are put upon it and still remain inexhaustible. Are we passing on the key to the door of paradise, and forgetting to explain how you use it to open the lock.

If young Muslims are not shown the full richness of Islamic knowledge, we must not be surprised if they show more interest in fields where there seems further to explore. It will take some time before mosques are again centres of learning in all its aspects, places of research, experimentation and debate concerning our understanding of God and Creation. But when western educated young Muslim adults begin to search for their spiritual roots, God willing, they will uncover the means of reinvigorating the ummah, and leading them in the example of the Companions. If our Islam is not like theirs, filled with a sense of awe, wonder and excitement, can we really be doing justice to the service of Allah.

In such a situation, we will find new Muslims drawn towards the mosque. At the moment, amidst the ummah they are more likely to find Islam expressed as a cultural adjunct, where even the five pillars are avoided. But if the pillars are treated as unnecessary then what is needed to be Muslim, and if they are necessary how many Muslims are there in the ummah?

This goes to the heart of the conversation question, as we need to know what is essential for a person to be considered Muslim. Do Muslims in fact expect more from a convert than they do from those born in their cultures? How little does a westerner have to do before Muslims accept him as Muslim, and how far can he stray from their cultural norm before they consider him a disturbing intrusion and would rather that he stayed away? Is the reason there are not more converts because they would disturb the status quo?

But our effect on our surrounding society is a mirror to our behaviour and how well we represent Islam. We must live in a way that seems preferable and then at least partially satisfy the expectations of the inquisitive. Once upon a time, Islam spread like wildfire. In a few short years the Message spread to Morocco and to China. Millions welcomed the good news, and quickly shaped their lives around it.

Now Islam may be fast growing in the third world regions, but here in the West Muslims face a peculiar reaction to their invitations to join them in their faith, as almost nobody wants anything to do with it. If the message we are passing on no longer seems to have the same effect, is it not time to consider if we just have a communications problem, or whether we ourselves are abusing the message? Fortunately we still have the original - all we have to do is understand it!

Good article Nadia.

Converts usually notice this more because people who make masjids in the west usually belong to specific ethnic groups more so than a specific sect. The sect system comes much later, after donations have built a few spare rooms. That's why the biases in some mosques - they are openly called "paki", "indian hyderabadi" or "arab" mosques. Plenty of community feelings, no universal ummah feeling.

Converts also tend to have so much reverence for Islam that they go the literal route of living and thinking and dreaming by each and every written word in the Qur'an. They're truly admirable in this regard.

My opinion is that Muslims are Islam's worst enemy.

The only issue I had with this article was the phrase "awe, wonder and excitement". That sent a shiver down my spine a bit, as if we were talking about a new galaxy or something that is sending ultra-intelligent aliens to administer us.

Islam is a very down-to-earth religion. Like water, drunk without a second thought but vital to our very existence, it should infuse our life in such a way that we don't need to feel so overwhelmed by it at every turn.

Just some thoughts.

wow Ana. Such a well thought-out, written response. Thank you.

>>Converts usually notice this more because people who make masjids in the west usually belong to specific ethnic groups more so than a specific sect.<<
Based upon my own first-hand experiences, i find this so true. There must be exceptions in some regions of the world. Even in communities with a relatively small Muslim population, i have been in “Arab mosques” versus “Pakistani mosques”… you are so right, sometimes we are our own worst enemies.

>>The only issue I had with this article was the phrase “awe, wonder and excitement”. That sent a shiver down my spine a bit, as if we were talking about a new galaxy or something that is sending ultra-intelligent aliens to administer us. Islam is a very down-to-earth religion. Like water, drunk without a second thought but vital to our very existence, it should infuse our life in such a way that we don’t need to feel so overwhelmed by it at every turn.<<
True. His “awe, wonder and excitement” phrase is located in the paragraph where he is discussing that mosques should again become a focal center of learning. But i like to take the meaning of this phrase a bit further than vis-a-vis mosques; i think it applies in one way to all of Islam. i remember the first time i read Surah al Fatiha with an actual sinking-in feeling of its meaning. It was inexpressible. The concept of ‘surrendering one’s will to Allah’ entirely, totally sunk in… and now i recite that Surah in my mind whenever i feel worried. If we study other Surahs like ar-Rahman, with the repeating query, Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?, i think it is also that same sense of awe, wonder and excitement (and fear, for me)… i utterly agree that Islam is a “very down-to-earth religion”, absolutely. Couldn’t agree more with that. Simultaneously, maybe it is the relationship i have vis-a-vis Islam where i am not yet close enough to it (so i am still discovering it), that it never ceases to amaze me how meaningful some Surahs are … and when you are reciting them, alone, say in your room, with the approximate English meanings close by, it does really fill me with wonder and fear. i think it’s not at “every turn” that this occurs, only at particular moments.

Anyways, great response Ana, thank you. :flower1: Sorry if i rambled above. :blush:

Truth will triumph.. slowly but surely as more intelligent and knowledgable people join the folds of Islam and realize what a mockery has been made of a beautiful religion.. they will shun the fabrications and hold fast to the rope of Allah together disregarding the factions and sectarianism in the name of 'taqleed'.

Insha'Allah.

Another article by a Muslim revert along the same lines, (source is the same website as above).

Frustrations of a Muslim Convert - Committed to Islam, vexed by Muslims, Michael Young

What is this fascination with converting "converts" to "reverts"?

Good articles. The older gen of muslims are culturally isolated and afraid to immigrate fully into there new society-this is the biggest problem cos these are the ppl that run the mosques.

Such a well thought-out, written response. Thank you

Nadia janu… don’t shower me like this. It goes to my head, and CH Roman and the rest of the chipmunks will tell you how ghastly that can be. And no, you never ramble.

This was the awe etc.. statement. Good response, you are right, when the Qur’an is read, esp. with understanding, it leaves a very powerful impact on you. That’s precisely the reason that I, and many “progressively minded” muslims, leave off really reading it and just utter meaningless bakwas, because we r scared it will draw us in too deep. Shameful, but true. :(. Khair.

Reverts, CH, because Muslims believe Islam was always the first last and only religion (which it was :blush:). It came before Creation, and will last till the Day of Judgement. So people who had other beliefs, esp. People of the Book - ahl-e-kitaab - Christians, Jews and who else? damn 4got (curse my memory)… I think just those two - when they profess their belief in Allah SWT, are reverting back to Islam, not converting to it. Anyway, I don’t think it really matters, because in my humble opinion, just having uttered Shahada does not make you a muslim. Actions count. That’s up to God to decide. But this much I have seen, the vast majority of new entrants to Islam tend to be more pious and care about Islam more than average Joe Muslim.

Errr.islam came about in the 7th century. While it is great for muslims to believe some eternal origination. It is simply not historically true. Same model can be held by all religion in terms of their understanding of cosmology. The Christians can say that they are the first religion, hindus can do the same and so can the Raelians. So..while it is ok to feel good about one's self on being the oldest or whatever religion, it simply is not true.

I am not picking hairs because it bothers me any as a person from another faith. I am picking hairs because it bothers me as a son of an English teacher, when we use the wrong terms, re: Revert and convert. :)

CH monotheistic religions have the same root.. there is no denying that. Christianity is not a religion.. Isa was sent to set matters straight for a people who already were following a monotheistic religion. Muhammad brought the message from the same divine entity, albeit to a people who had not had guidance before.

Today if a Jew or a Christian or a Sunni/Shia/pick-a-sect accepts that truth and rejects the 'idols' he/she has created he/she is considered to have "reverted" back to true faith or the oneness of God.

PA: Did you care to advise the billions of christians that their's is not a religion. LOL!

The first monotheistic relegion akin to what christianity/judaism/islam was Started by Amenhotep in Egypt. He moved hte seat of his kingdom to Amara with his wife Nefrittiti.

There is faith that says Islam or judaism or Hinduism are the first relgions..that is the basis of each relgions interpretation of the cosmos. Then there is historical evidence that suggests Chritianity stated round 40-50 a.d. and Islam in the 7th century.

Nothing wrong with faith..It's a great thing. Just attribute the statements of "oldest religions" to faith not "facts"

let say we are hit by astroids and we all perish . let us assume
the "creation" repeated do you think the newly created world
will be the same?

i don't mean to be the nasty Guppy in this thread, but the purpose of posting this thread is not to discuss the origins of faiths, the legitimacy of utilizing terms such as revert/convert, etc. (albeit these are interesting issues worthy entirely of a separate, better thread) - rather to discuss the observations made by this particular Muslim man, such as:

Do Muslims in fact expect more from a convert than they do from those born in their cultures? How little does a westerner have to do before Muslims accept him as Muslim, and how far can he stray from their cultural norm before they consider him a disturbing intrusion and would rather that he stayed away?

For those of us who are Muslims, i think it is important that we ask ourselves - and i am guilty of doing this myself first and foremost - whether, and to what extent, we judge our fellow Muslims by superficial characteristics. Michael Malik begins his long article with the simple statement, "There was a white face in the mosque." How many times have we seen white (or black, for that matter) faces in our local mosques and passed judgements, whether or not intentionally or maliciously? i am sure there are some Guppies out there who do not do this. i admit i am not one of them. Sadly, this is not the first time that i have come across these opinions regarding this issue; other Muslims have also echoed some of the same sentiments. Ana focused upon this in her reply which i appreciate - sometimes we end up being our own worst enemies. Categorizing strangers as "white Muslims" or "Pakistani Muslims" seems to be rather an insult to the core message of equality within Islamic teachings.

do all the muslims regrdless of ethnic or racial background go to same mosque in the west?

i hate myself, not trying to be a pain Rvikz:~( but what do you mean please ? Sorry, how - specifically - is your question related to the thread? No i think Muslims choose which mosque to go to depending upon diverse factors, such as but not limited to: distance of mosque from their residence; number(s) of their relatives & close friends who also attend the same mosque; whether or not the Imam is known to give good khutbas; and, some times, the "ethnic demographics" of the mosque, etc.

Hope that answers your query?

Islam and Muslim means one and the same....

just as u have muslims who r not muslims but call themselves muslims, u also have islam, which is not islam but what these so-called muslims follow....

so saying muslims r bad, means Islam is bad....
cuz anyone who aint following Islam aint really a muslim....
and u just cant take from someone's claim that he/she is a muslims....
cuz even ahmedis, boris, qraniyeens and all fascinate themselves by associating themselves with Muslims....

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cuz even ahmedis, boris, qraniyeens and all fascinate themselves by associating themselves with Muslims....
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As much as i appreciate your sharing your input with us, Armughal, please let's not divert this thread into something else; the above issue has been rehashed on this Forum numerous times:~/ My sincerest thanks in advance,
nadia

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do all the muslims regrdless of ethnic or racial background go to same mosque in the west?
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Officialy no, but their are obvious group differences.

I was unfortunate enough to recently attend a mosque where the sermon was in Punjabi, a language that not even most Pakistanis like myself understand, let alone the other Muslims.

Absolutely I am in awe.

Completely.

Realistly?

My dream of Islam.

My Islam insists on individual freedom, there is no compulsion, no priests are needed, and except for piety all men are equal. I kneel before no man, though I will kneel in prayer beside any, and my wealth and privilege is permitted, though charity is to be preferred, and the prophet chose to die a pauper.

Absolutely. Individual freedom. Choice. A thinking that equality exists. Everyone. A touching of heart. A touching of minds. A gathering. A kiss.

Would that God and his great goodness would bring that thinking upon all mankind in anyway you deem appropriate.

God

Please bring upon the world

your kiss

your loving kindness

your sweetness

God

Thank you.

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As much as i appreciate your sharing your input with us, Armughal, please let's not divert this thread into something else; the above issue has been rehashed on this Forum numerous times:~/ My sincerest thanks in advance,
nadia
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i dint intend to divert this to anything....
was just saying that lets try to differentiate between muslims and ppl who only claim to be so....
i dont count every man named ali, mohammad, ahmed, abdulla, etc. as a muslim....
his actions need to prove it....
otherwise hypocrite is a very good word for such....

otherwise we need not say anything against Muslims - the best nation among the entire mankind....