Islam has extreme laws for homosexuality...

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…But in the end I have never heard of a Homosexual being killed, taunted or hurt in any Muslim or Islamic country…Why?

Unlike America where hundereds of gays and lesbians have been the targets of hate and persecution, especially when they profess to be so open-minded I have yet to come across an incident where a homosexual was surrounded by goons and beaten to death in an Islamic civilization…

Abu Nawas was a poet who wrote and composed poetry about homosexuality and drinking in the capital of the Ottoman empire under the very nose of the Khalifa himself, yet no punishment was wrought on him…In fact Abu Nawas was a very renowned poet of his time…

How did this happen?

Agreed, Islam has very strict laws regarding homosexuality, in which the first offense is to be punished with lashings and the second is offense is death…But why is it that Heejras and Khusraas and self professed gays can roam the streets without a worry unlike in America unless they are part of a mob or group?

It’s because although the punishments in Islam be high, Islam places a very important facet in all its rulings regarding all crimes…Witnesses…You may profess all you want of how much of a gay you are, unless four witnesses testify, you cannot be harmed…

Four witnesses are required for a homosexual to be charged with a crime and you can imagine how many people would openly commit sexual acts in front of four people…And those four witnesses have to be in good standing order in society for their testimmony to be accepted…

Unlike America’s laws which are the offsprings of the Spanish Inquisition and the witch trials, witnesses play little or no role…Everything is solely based on evidence which in many cases can be easily manipulated…

Unlike Islamic laws in which the individual’s private life’s history (though relevant) is protected for sake of privacy, the American justice relies on scraping dirt from the deepest darkest corners of a person’s life, despite the fact that the person might have changed for the better…

So in other words, Islam’s first priority before pronouncing sentence is to give the accused benefit of the doubt…

Therefore, unlike the American way in which “Queer Bashing” was at one time a favourite pastime of American youth, the individuals’s private life remains private under the Islamic rule of law, hence no vigilante style punishments by the mob and no lynchings…

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...so what is the point here? Is it that Americans torture gay people and thats how it should be? Or that Islaamic countries should crack down harder on gay people? Or what?

In each and every society on the planet, those who are different in a major way are singled out, persecuted, made fun of etc. Maybe that isnt true so much in an Islaamic country, I dont know. In USA, Gay people are making really vast headway in gaining marriage status so that they can share household advantages with taxes, healthcare etc. Where else does this happen? Sorry, Mr Lawajab, I really dont get what it is that you're trying to say here. Yes there are extreme problems with this country (the usa) but I really dont think that this is one of them anymore.

But where you're going really wrong here in this thread is talking about witch hunts and Spanish Inquisition. You are confusing Homosexual Pedophilia with simple homosexuality. I will never interfere with 2 consenting adults who want to engage in sexual relations. However, if there is an adult looking to engage a CHILD in a sexual act, watch out. Homosexuality DOES NOT mean pedohphilia. Laws in the USA are REALLY strict about pedophiles and know what? THANK GOD FOR THAT. Are they as vigorously prosecuted elsewhere? I dont think so...maybe I'm wrong about that...please feel free to correct me. But there arent any laws against being a homosexual. The ones who are prosecuted are those who torment homosexuals. You think that's wrong? I dont - leave them alone I say.

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Haha Lajo. I guess you don’t consider Egypt an Islamic country. Homosexuality is punishable by death in most of the Islamic world.

…But why is it that Heejras and Khusraas and self professed gays can roam the streets without a worry unlike in America unless they are part of a mob or group?<<<

Khusras and Heejras are eunichs and transgender and transsexuals, and not Homosexual. Homosexual is someone who is attracted to his own sex (do you get it now??).

But there is unwritten law in the Islamic world that an unmarried man can have homosexual sex as long as he is penetrater (the other poor guy is considered gay). It is totally amazing how little some people know about different sexual orientations and how muslims (generally) tend to have such a screwed up notion of sexuality. Londay Bazi is not ‘homosexual act’, it is a desperate act for there being lack of opportunities to meet opposite sex in Islamic countries. Lesbian sex is more rampant in the Islamic world than you would care to know.

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:salam:

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I see, so the problem of “londay baazi” and lesbianism can be solved by allowing rampant casual sex as is the case in the West? Funny, there still are gay/lesbian in the West too. Are they also deprived of a chance to “meet” with members of the opposite sex?

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r u debunking the notion that homosexuality is a 'social disease' and not an inherent trait?

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Re: Islam has extreme laws for homosexuality...

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*Originally posted by Lajawab: *
It's because although the punishments in Islam be high, Islam places a very important facet in all its rulings regarding all crimes...Witnesses...You may profess all you want of how much of a gay you are, unless four witnesses testify, you cannot be harmed...

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Please provide four witnesses testifying your heterosexuality or else I would consider you a homosexual. You may profess all you want of how much of a hetrosexual you are, unless four witnesses testify, you will remain a faggot

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Mama: Unlike you who have such a strong stance against Islam for having strict laws against homosexuality but harsh laws against pedophilia, perhaps it would interest you to do a Google on the net regarding the illicit sex trade in the Philipines, Thailand and Bangkok and where their biggest client base and customers are from...You'd be surprised...

Madhanee: As you quoted me you might want to see that the reason I named those other sexual orientations is to let people know that how a person behaves in the Islamic world is his own personal matter as long as he doesn't engage, promote or display his inclinations in public...Like I said, everything is between you and God until it comes out in the public in which case the authority gets involved...

As for your 'unwritten' Islamic laws, you are right...They are unwritten because they are condemned and forbidden...There is a reason Muslims don't consider Ahmedis as Muslims...Apart from having their own prophet and then calling their religion Islam, they give Islam a bad name by ascribing things forbidden in Islam as legal...Much like LondayBazi which is legal in Ahmedism but not in Islam...

PA: Homosexuality is neither a social disease nor an inherent trait...It is a confusion and an aberration of normal behaviour much like nymphomania and kleptomania...

Fayz: Maybe when you grow a little older you might be able to partake in this conversation...

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Lajo, by your definition, 90% of Pakistani men are Ahmadis and the rest impotent. You know as much about Homosexuals as you do about Islam. :jazak:

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