OK…now what is Islams understanding of gay people?..
Im aware of the punishment of people carrying it out…but i was once told that is possible for someone to be gay…but the test for that Muslim is to not carry out something that Allah has made haram for him…is that nonsense or is that the correct understanding?..
If not then what is Islams understanding of the gay gene?..
And as a sub thing…does Islam say anything about Mutations such as hermaphrodites…as is it up to them what sex they choose or has Islam ordained something?..
Jazakallah…
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I would recommend you to ask these questions from scholars of islam.The ullema(clerics) can answer your question more than anyone on this forum and since they issue fatwa they can give the best answer to your question
About gays and lesbians Islam justlike other major religions condemns it i can give you the link to islamic ruling on this issue
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=10050&dgn=4
And about hermaphrodites islamic scholars have to say thi
I would still recommend you to ask these questions again from the islamic scholars and ullemas for further clarification on this topic.
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** calls off my lil middle school brother **
awwww ! too bad, he's asleep, else i wud let two of the same knowledge level argue on it.
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Im aware of the punishment of people carrying it out...but i was once told that is possible for someone to be gay...but the test for that Muslim is to not **carry out *something that *Allah has made haram for him**...is that nonsense .....
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lol .. u tell me ! shudnt take u to climb up a mountain now.
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Another good question…
I’d refer you to the story of the people of Prophet “Loot” who was the nephew of Prophet Ibrahim and was sent to the citty of “SODOM” to the people who used to be gay. PLEASE NOTE: That society was gay in majority like 95% and above not like 1% or less. Such was the magnitude of this crime. The whole nation was destroyed and the remains have been discovered under the red see, EVEN TODAY…
Had this been a natural, there would have been gays in great majority in the world today.
How could the human race progress and flourish if “GAY” had to be the natural instinct of man.
Why Islam has condemned this? Why Islam has put so much stress against it?
Before proving this behavior as NORMAL, the stupid scientists should also evaluate and assess the “psychiatry” of such people. These peole have certain psychiatric disorders. Nobody mentions about them. Nobody mentions what sort of mental torture are they passing through following this behavior and advantage is only one, sexual gratification and even that is with extreem negative impacts.
AIDS, Hepatitis B, C, A, and all sorts of sexually transmitted disease are highest in number in GAYS…
GAY Gene, I being a medical professional, am not aware of any such gene. There is no such gene in my knowledge. Rather this behavior is discouraged in Medicine but if a person elects this behavior, we as medical professionals have to help them in certain ways, as it is their own personal choice…
Christianity, condemn it. Judaism condemns this. Islam condemns this. Hinduism, I am not sure but I guess it also discourages it…
Now about sex change, unfortunately, this is written in Bible, and you can understand the reason for peole changing sex. This is one of the reasons I am telling you.
*The disciples said to him, "If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is not expedient to marry. But he said to them, “Not all men can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to receive this, let him receive it.” *
New Testament
Mathew, Chapter 19:10-12
Revised standard edition
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In Islam, there is explicit and implicit expression about the gender role and it can be readily interpreted that Islam is strictly against these things I'd refer you to Surah Al-Nisa in Quran. If you read any Tafseer of this Surah, you'll know about it in detail.
here are some verses from this Surah
"And wish not for the things in which Allah has made some of you to excel others. For men there is reward for what they have earned, (and likewise) for women there is reward for what they have earned.” (An-Nisa’:32)
“And that He createth the two spouses, the male and the female.”
(An-Najm: 45)
“the male is not as the female”
Surat Al-Layl: 3
Ash-Shura: 49.
What do I know about the genetics of the peoblem. Strictly speaking, I have seen if we follow what Allah has asked us to do, these problems will not arise. One of the major risk factors for such disorders is advanced age of a lady when she has child. If she is more than 35 years, the rish for "non-disjunction increases significantly"......
Cousin marriages are also a big factor in such happenings. Marriages within the family leads to congregation of abnormal genes within a family..... we also do not pay attention to this..........
There are multiple life style abnormalities in our lives that lead to many genetic abnormailites. nevertheless, I don't deny the "sporadic/unfortunate" incidences. But looking at it as a whole, I see there have been many many life style factors of todays life that have lead to these problems.
Sometimes, we do not understand the simplicity of what Islam says but it in fact has profound impact on us....... It is sad that the new scientific discoveries are proving all that Islam told us 1400 years ago but there is nobody who is "correlating" these to how Islam already proved it......
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One hypothesis used by people to support this behavior, (GAY) is that during intrauterine life the fetus is exposed to high levels of "testosteron" and other male hormones which leads to the GAY behavior. Well, I don't kow how would they support that? If that had been true
1) There would have been many other physical abnormalities in the baby at birth.
2) If there is already a gene called GAY gene, then there is no need to prove it with the hormonal hypothesis. As the genes are not mutated in this way...... this is the most illogical thing I have learned from these people.
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i agree to most of what you wrote lahore981 but cousin marriages are allowed in islam so clarify this topic and women who marry at the age of 35 that is who have first born at 30 plus are at risk more than those who have let say third child at 35 .I think those who have the first born are at more risk so correct me if i am wrong.And those women who take fertility treatments usually have abnormal children and who use other harmful drugs.
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^ You are right. It is the first born child at > 35 years of age.
And the reasons are many. Delay in marriages for various stupid "cultural and societal reasons", new life trend in women of feeling inferior in having kids and destroying their "career" for such low profile work of bringing up kids...... etc etc
Again you are right about the use of contraception and etc etc (I am not commenting on those because they are out of the realm of this thread) yes, use of contrraceptio is also a risk factor for such "mutations"
About cousin marriages, I wrote what I understood from my readings. If I am wrong clarify me. But medically, it is proven that cousin marriages are big culprits. Cousin marriages are preferred in certain societies (Including our Pakistani society) for various reasons, but in Islam there is a very open emphasis on "Get those married who are single" not on "getting married to preferably the cousins" which to me is enough to believe that getting married is important and for that it is not important to look up in cousins necessarily. Anyhow, second cousin marriages are also not good......... it is medically called "Consanguinity"
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Cousin marriages are proved by Medical researchers that they increase the risk of diseases.I may add that it is one of the factors but not the only factor.Since islam allows cousin marriages there should be a ruling on thatone by the ullemas.We muslims believe that there are four fundamental sources of law in islam in Islam Quran,sunnah,Qiyas(analogy) and Ijma(consensus).It is upto the ullema to act on this issue.
Since there is no concept of caste or biradari system in islam and cousins in the society are married solely on the basis of caste or biadari then this practice should be discorage by the muslim society itself.I agree with you that basic idea of marriage in islam is to have a family and as you rightly said "there is a very open emphasis on "Get those married who are single" not on "getting married to preferably the cousins" which to me is enough to believe that getting married is important and for that it is not important to look up in cousins necessarily"
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Heart diease is fine...but producing retarded kids doesn't add much to the GDP either.
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retarded kids can be born to couple not cousins too, no one can do anything about it.
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^ but cousin marriages are more efficient in causing retarded kids. God should have surely seen that unless he devised it that way...Hmmmmm....
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Every sunni scholar who I've seen publish a fatwa on hermaphrodites deems that they should be medically committed to one gender (the one they are closest to, normally), and then treated as someone of that gender in all matters.
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For every medical study that shows the cousin marriages increase chances of disease in the offspring, there is an opposit theory that debunks that research so dont try to convince us in general with that argument…bring a socio or economic issue and it will be more compelling
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I said that cousin marriages is one of the factors and not the only factor.I only suggested that there can be a ruling on that one by the ulemas if it can diseases can be prevented why not prevent them? just like Thalassaemia Major can be prevented to some extenet by discouraging marriages between those who suffer from Thalassaemia minor.Cousin marriages or for that matter outside the family
God knows what is best from us and he guides the ummat muslima(muslim nation) on every issue.
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Islam condemns homosexual sexual intercourse, it is this that earns the wrath of God in this world and the hereafter and if caught in the act deserves the capital punishment under God’s Law.
However homosexuals (people who are attracted to the same gender) are not condemned if they do not act upon their feelings, it is better for them to suppress their feelings and live a heterosexual life if possible or practice celibacy, whether or not homosexuality is environmental or biological is irrelevant, it is against the law of God and should be took as one of tests in life, people are tested in different ways and those who preserve with patience are the successful who will be rewarded amply by Allah whilst those give into their lusts will be doomed.