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Who will be your next prime minster… Abpara decides it… They allocate seats of winning parties…
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It was Sher-e-Bangal Fazle Haq who had pushed for one Pakistan. The Lahore Resolution mentioned states on the northwest and northeast corners of India so after 1971, we have naturally gravitated towards that solution.
Chaudhry, what do you think Punjab would be if it wasn’t for Pakistan? Even today, can punjab survive w/o ports?
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Punjab is landlocked and will be crippled without Sindh and Balochistan. This was the fact why NWFP (present KP) which was under Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan (the Frontier Gandhi) with Congress government was forced to join Pakistan in the 1947 referendum. **The Pathans and Punjabis (by majority of electable, landowners etc) were not Pro-Pakistan, they were compelled to join Pakistan because of the ground realities.
پاکستان بننے کا فائدہ سب کو ہوا ہے۔ پٹھان اور پنجابی فرش سے اٹھ کر عرش پر پہنچ گئے۔ پاکستان نہ بنتا تو پٹھان افغانوں کے ساتھ افیون کاشت کر رہے ہوتے، چرس اور اسلحہ کی اسمگلنگ اور سود (ربا) کے کاروبار کے ساتھ آپس میں لڑ مر رہے ہوتے۔ کم سے کم پاکستان کے پٹھان، افغانستان کے پٹھانوں سے لاکھ درجہ بہتر حالت میں ہیں۔ ان میں تعلیم بھی آگئی ہے اور آگہی بھی۔
پنجابیوں نے آزادی کا سب سے زیادہ فائدہ اٹھایا ہے۔ 1971 میں بنگال کو دودھ میں سے مکھی کی طرح نکالنے کے بعد سے ان کی پانچوں انگلیاں گھی میں ہیں اور سر کڑاہی میں ہے۔
بنگالی بھی قائد اعظم اور پاکستان کا احسان نہیں اتار سکتے۔ قائد اعظم نہ ہوتے اور آل انڈیا مسلم لیگ نہ ہوتی، تو بنگالیوں کا باپ بھی ان کو ہندوستان کی غلامی سے نجات نہیں دلا سکتا تھا۔ مشرقی بنگال کے لوگ مغربی بنگال کے ہندو جاگیر داروں اور ساہو کاروں کی ایسے ہی خدمت کر رہے ہوتے جیسے پنجابیوں اور مہاجروں نے ان کو 23 سال اپنی کالونی بنا کر رکھا۔
سندھی بھی گھاٹے میں نہیں رہے۔ سیاہ سفید کے مالک ہیں۔ اندرون پنجاب اور اندرون سندھ اگر غربت اور افلاس ہے تو اس کی وجہ ان کے اپنے ظالم فرعونی جاگیردار اور وڈیرے ہیں جو ان کو کیڑے مکوڑوں کی زندگی گزارنے پر مجبور کرتے ہیں تاکہ ان پر حکومت کر سکیں۔
بلوچستان کی محرومیوں کی اصل وجہ پاکستان نہیں بلکہ ان کے اپنے بلوچ سردار ہیں جو پنجابی جاگیرداروں اور سندھی وڈیروں سے مختلف نہیں۔ ہاں پنجابی اسٹیبلشمنٹ کے جرائم سے انکار نہیں کیا جاسکتا۔ پنجابی اسٹیبلشمنٹ نے جو ظلم بنگالیوں کے ساتھ کیا، اس جیسا ظلم بلوچوں کے ساتھ بھی روا رکھا ہے۔ سوئی وہ علاقہ ہے جہاں کی قدرتی گیس پنجاب اور ملک بھر نے استعمال کی، مگر سوئی کے لوگ اس نعمت سے محروم ہیں۔ یہ کہاں کا انصاف ہے؟ ظلم اور زیادتی کروگے تو بلوچ احتجاج بھی نہ کرے؟ ہر احتجاج کے پیچھے انڈین را کا ہاتھ نہیں ہو سکتا۔ دشمن وہیں ٖضرب لگاتا ہے جہاں آپ کمزور ہوتے ہیں۔
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It was Sindh and former East Pakistan now Bangladesh who made Pakistan. Both were humiliated and suffered a lot when joined with Quaid’s Pakistan. Bengali took their freedom from Punjabi establishment in 1971. Sindh is still bleeding.
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It was Jinnah and his Muslim League with whose efforts Sindh was separated from Bombay (presently Mumbai) or else Sindh would remain a Hindu majority in United India. In 1947 aristocratic Sindhi families moved to India and Sindhi waderas of Pakistan became more powerful.
Problem with Sindh is its masses are used to live as slaves of their Waderas. They don’t stand up and challenge the dark rule of their feudal lords. The feudal class has joined Pakistan People’s Party and is denying basic rights to the poor Sindhi villagers and city dwellers.
Liyari in Karachi and the city of Larkana are good examples which are not developed by the PPP government because each time they give a development program to them during election campaign.
God doesn’t help those who don’t help themselves.
Stop whining and blaming others for your own failures. You yourselves are used to live as slaves of your feudal lords!
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Showing tolerance doesn’t mean we may surrender ourselves and our faith to Ahmadiyyah community. We can’t let them trespass our own religious freedom. Their faith is based on direct confrontation and opposition to our faith, the faith of majority and mainstream Pakistani Muslims. Why on earth should we let them run over our identity and our religion?
If we let them recognise themselves as Muslims, they will propagate their ideas in the name of Islam. If they want to preach their religion they must not be allowed to call it Islam. **You can’t sell your local burger using the trade name and logo of McDonald’s, can you?
Islam is the religion whose last Messenger is Muhammad peace be upon him.**** The religion whose Prophet is Mirza Ghulam Qadiyani Punjabi is never Islam.**
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If you are going to use this justification for why you think the Ahmadiyya deserve the treatment they get, it is still not tolerance. *Pakistan is not religiously tolerant and it has not shown the Ahmadiyya tolerance.
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You can dress up your argument with “b b but their religion hurts my feelings!!!11” all you want but all you did was shoot down your own claims.
It’s funny how sensitive religious people are. You really sat here and typed up the diatribe acting like the Ahmadiyya sect being considered a part of Islam is a personal attack against you and every Muslim.
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Is there a universal definition of ‘tolerance’ accepted by the UN or any international organisation?
The west can’t tolerate that you deny holocaust.
The west also cannot tolerate contempt of court.
People have differing limitations of their tolerance level in the world.
**We, Pakistanis, cannot tolerate Ahmadiyya’s trespassing our religion to the extent of attacking it by Mirza Ghulam Qadiyani Punjabi, the false Prophet.
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Denying the holocaust (a horrific period in Germany’s history with mass genocide) is not any way comparable to your feelings getting hurt because the Ahmadiyya have different opinions than you over a religion.
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Asghar Khan was a traitor like Imran Niazi. Both were/are half Punjabi-half Pathan, both use ‘Khan’ with their names, both led a party PTI (Pakistan Tehrik-e-Istaqlal & Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf) and in the end Asghar Khan merged his PTI with Imran Khan’s PTI. Naeem-ul-Haq is basically from Asghar Khan’s PTI.
Now let’s examine his claims and allegations:
- It was always Pakistan who attacked India.
Let’s say this is true, so what? In a war one country is aggressor and the other is defender. Aggression doesn’t always mean the party is wrong.
By saying this Asghar Khan is sidelining himself by joining the Indian side and dissociating from the Pakistani side, fine.
- Asghar Khan didn’t know of Ayub’s plan of 1965 operations.
This is because Ayub didn’t trust Asghar Khan. Simple!
After all it was Asghar Khan who telephoned his counterpart in India saying both of them should not use their airforce in this war:
Watch from 2:27 minute
- Pakistan started the 1972 war (the idiot doesn’t know history, it was 1971 war and not 1972).
No need to respond to this, as this statement of Asghar Khan is self-destructive.
- Pakistan didn’t need to denote its nuclear bomb in 1998.
Alright, only India had the right to detonate its nuclear weapons in 1974 and in 1998. India did that near Pakistani border both times, not the Chinese border, and Asghar Khan the Hazara-Traitor says it’s always Pakistan to start aggression.
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People have different perspectives of history and different records. If some people think claims of holocaust are over-exaggerated and are lies, let them express their view point. Give them freedom of expression like you expect Pakistanis to give Qadiyanis freedom of imposing their faith upon majority.
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You need to check your brain with a brain specialist. Are you saying bs from your brain or from your arse? The fact is Sindh suffered from Punjabi establishment more than your so called feudal lords. Sindh was better off when Hindus, parsi, Anglo Indian, and Sindhs were ruling. It was stupid GM Syed who himself was a feudal lord made this happened and sided with Quaid-e-Azam. He should not have done this. Later he regretted his action till he died. Sindh should not have opted this kind of Pakistan.
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Different take on Religion = / = Denying historical events.
Religion itself has been varied throughout time, despite what diarrhea you will type up trying to prove it isn’t. There are several schools of thought in Islam and there have been many takes on how to interpret Islamic texts.
Denying historical events that have a wealth of proof that they happened is literally not the same as making a sect of Islam that hurts your feelings
Also, last time I checked Ahmadiyya are not forcing you to actually take up their faith so this talk of “imposing” is just LOL
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Tbh you’re from one of the most backward provinces of Pakistan and it’s been that for centuries, Sindh has millions of indentured slaves and it’s been that way for all of history I think you should be ashamed of what’s going on in that desert wasteland.
The whole enlightened sufi culture y’all project is just a gimmick lmao
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gobar se munh nikalo to haqiqat ka patta chalay.
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Snakes like you were made out of gober
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You don’t know history of Sindh. Sindh in the recent past was conquered by Baloch tribes and still Baloch people have ruled it. Don’t you know who Talpurs were? After Talpurs it was the British and since that time Sindh has still been ruled by the Baloch. Zardari is Baloch who practically leads the PPP, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was Rajput and now Bilawal is also Baloch because of Zardari’s bloodline.
I have to explain this because certain Sindhis are very sensitive about their ancestry.
Now before the British it was not Sindhis who were rulers but it was Talpur Baloch who ruled it. Therefore get your facts straight.
Then once again, stop whining. Hindus, Parsis and the rest of Non-Punjabis are not coming back to return the crown of Sindh back to Sindhi people, be realistic.
I agree Sindh has suffered the most in Pakistan due to many reasons. In 1947, Sindh offered land to the refugees (the Urdu speaking community) who were settled in Karachi and other parts of interior Sindh. This was no doubt great generosity of the Sindhi people. It should also be noted that Urdu speakers or mohajirs actually occupied the space which was left by Hindus who left Sindh in 1947. It was a give and take.
As Karachi was the capital and the only port at that time it attracted other communities such as Punjabis, Hazarwis, Sarayekis, Pashtuns and finally Afghan refugees. There are other illegal immigrants as well such as Burmese, Bengalis etc. But I’m telling you, this was a phenomenon which could not be stopped, at least not with the level of competency which is prevalent in this country.
Secondly, this happens everywhere in the world. For example it happened in Mumbai and other metropolitan cities like New York City and London. Wouldn’t you as a Sindhi like to go and settle in London, New York, Sidney or Toronto given the opportunity? People go to avail from opportunities. Hundreds of thousands of Pakistanis, Indians, Bangladeshis are serving in Saudi Arabia and other Gulf countries. Everyone is playing their part in the economic activities where they work. If these ‘outsiders’ hadn’t settled in Karachi, Karachi wouldn’t have been different from Hyderabad and Tando Jam.
Thirdly, let’s talk about a few decades in which Sindh has been ruled by the Sindhi/Baloch elites. What has Bhutto’s and Zardari given to you? I’m not Punjabi, I’m not defending them, but the reality is Punjabis are not responsible for the plight of Sindhis. Sindhis themselves are pessimist, work shied lazy bottoms who are not ambitious like Pathans and Punjabis. Sindhis do not love education. Standard of education is poorest of all in Sindh and Balochistan. Because by default they don’t want to get educated. You have universities and colleges in Sindh but you don’t avail from them. How many Sindhi scientists have you produced, how many renowned scholars you have sent to the world? Your schools in interior Sindh are no different from Moen Jo Daro; neither the Wadera saeen lets your children go to school nor Sindhis themselves want to be educated. Those who get schooling and become graduated try their best to get government jobs and many do because Sindhis have enjoyed quota system. Incompetent, less educated Sindhis occupy government jobs because of this system and because of their political affiliation with PPP etc. That’s the reason why hardly any Sindhi gets distinction in international examinations or in a foreign university.
Now with this poor condition of yourselves you only point fingers at others for your failures and ignoring your own incompetency and laziness.
Sindh Assembly presents the true picture of how educated Sindhis are. Once a PTI member of Sindh Assembly talked about a cyclone called Nilofar and Agha Siraj Durrani, the Jahil speaker of PPP thought it was some lady.
Sindhis get money, they buy a brand new car or a double cabin truck, a flat or house in Defense or Clifton… buy expensive liquors and feel proud of speaking Sindhi language and wearing the Sindhi topi. That’s all about it!
Sindhi nationalists are also losers who fool Sindhi people like MQM fooled muhajirs in the name of ethnic politics.
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You can deny all you want in USA, Canada and UK among some other countries. The mainland europe is a hypocrite but still you can’t compare zia’s death for blasphemy to fines and prison for challenging holocaust in germany and austria. Damras reminds me of an older banned pro-TTP pashtun who used to celebrate the killing of pakistani police and army and rationalize taliban crimes by bringing in MQM when TTP and friends have killed ten times the number of Pakistanis. MQM’s militant wing never had the depth nor the reach as TTP and friends have in all of Pakistan.