ISIL and the enslavement of Women

[IqbalAli]

Re: ISIL and the enslavement of Women

@TLK

True dat, but in case of slave girl, no witnesses are required for the nikah, which pretty much makes it simply a consensual sex. Though one should make it a public knowledge that the girl is my slave, in which case it would be understood that she is also his mankooha.

Brother, I’m a bit confused. Are you saying when a momin approaches a woman after dispatching her husband, Allah (swt) will make it easier for her to accept him as a sexual partner, in her heart, which is why she will consent to having sex with him?

[kakaballi]

Re: ISIL and the enslavement of Women

as if everything else ISIS does is Shariah compliant.

[PyariCgudia]

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@Ajju

^^ You are really clutching at the straws by pointing to some decree by Ottomon kings in late 19th century under pressure from western powers like Russia and Britain. Also, those decrees were not accepted throughout the Islamic world. Saudi Arab and Qatar continued to practice slavery into the 20th century. Recently South Sudan and Darfur saw the Arabs taking many Africans as slaves. Saudi salafi muftis are on the record issuing Fatwas declaring slavery to be according to Sharia!

This is absurd. Alcohol was also slowly abolished, just like slavery, but you still see alcohol today right? So the fact that muslims 500 years after Prophet Muhammad’s (SAW) death participated in something that was discouraged and asked to be slowly removed from society is not PROOF that the practice was never meant to be abolished in the first place. It’s just that people reverted back to their bad old ways. And we see this not only with alcohol, we see it with the drug trade of opium in Afghanistan, with female genital mutilation in Africa, with corruption widespread and class / caste systems in Pakistan, etc.

The fact that a muslim engages in evil doesn’t make it proof that Islam allows for that evil.

Just use scripture and hadith’s to determine whether ISLAM actually allows something. The overwhelming proof and evidence is that slavery was to be abolished, but SLOWLY, and I argue, that the practical reasons for this was to avoid Jim Crow type laws and segregation type culture seen in the US. By slowly removing it from our practice and marrying into slave populations, we abolished slavery. Unfortunately, it took centuries, but as a result, many peoples exist in Muslim countries that have some African lineage but their blood is mixed with African and local blood.

Meanwhile even in 2015, in the US, an inter-racial couple causes eyebrows to raise. Inter-racial relationships have been very common to the point that the populations in many Arab countries clearly look like a mix of Arab-Africans. Dark skin, but facial features that correspond to Arab blood as well.

[IqbalAli]

Re: ISIL and the enslavement of Women

Brother Ajju is saying that there are no verses in The Noble Qur’an that prohibits slavery. Also there is a verse which allows to hold female captives as slaves and have sex with them. I don’t know what he means by that though. We must remember that Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and sahaabah all did take captives of war as slaves and they did have sex with them. Sometimes those women were sold too. Its all written in hadeeth sharif.

Brother Ajju is saying ISIS are despicable for emulating this.

[Ajju]

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@PyariCgudia

This is absurd. Alcohol was also slowly abolished, just like slavery, but you still see alcohol today right? So the fact that muslims 500 years after Prophet Muhammad’s (SAW) death participated in something that was discouraged and asked to be slowly removed from society is not PROOF that the practice was never meant to be abolished in the first place. It’s just that people reverted back to their bad old ways. And we see this not only with alcohol, we see it with the drug trade of opium in Afghanistan, with female genital mutilation in Africa, with corruption widespread and class / caste systems in Pakistan, etc.

The fact that a muslim engages in evil doesn’t make it proof that Islam allows for that evil.

Just use scripture and hadith’s to determine whether ISLAM actually allows something. The overwhelming proof and evidence is that slavery was to be abolished, but SLOWLY, and I argue, that the practical reasons for this was to avoid Jim Crow type laws and segregation type culture seen in the US. By slowly removing it from our practice and marrying into slave populations, we abolished slavery. Unfortunately, it took centuries, but as a result, many peoples exist in Muslim countries that have some African lineage but their blood is mixed with African and local blood.

Meanwhile even in 2015, in the US, an inter-racial couple causes eyebrows to raise. Inter-racial relationships have been very common to the point that the populations in many Arab countries clearly look like a mix of Arab-Africans. Dark skin, but facial features that correspond to Arab blood as well.

Wine was completely and clearly abolished despite its common use at the time, there was no waiting period. Slavery OTOH was never abolished, in fact rules for slavery were clearly established in Quran and Hadees. Besides the “right hand posses” ayat, there are other ayats permitting sex with slave girls 23:5,6 “And they who guard their private parts, Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed” and 70:22-30. Also 33:50 “O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.”

Then there are many many Ahadees on this subject detailing sex with slaves. For example Sahih Bukhari volume 9, #506](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=506) "That during the battle with Bani Al-Mustaliq they (Muslims) captured some females and intended to have sexual relation with them without impregnating them. So they asked the Prophet about coitus interrupt us. The Prophet said, “It is better that you should not do it, for Allah has written whom He is going to create till the Day of Resurrection.” Qaza’a said, “I heard Abu Sa’id saying that the Prophet said, 'No soul is ordained to be created but Allah will create it.”

Sahih Bukhari volume 3, #342](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=342) "That while he was sitting with Allah’s Apostle he said, “O Allah’s Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interrupt us?” The Prophet said, “Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.”

Sahih Muslim, #3432](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3432) “Abu Sa’id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah’s Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:” And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end)."

[Ajju]

Re: ISIL and the enslavement of Women

@Ajju

Wine was completely and clearly abolished despite its common use at the time, there was no waiting period. Slavery OTOH was never abolished, in fact rules for slavery were clearly established in Quran and Hadees. Besides the “right hand posses” ayat, there are other ayats permitting sex with slave girls 23:5,6 “And they who guard their private parts, Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed” and 70:22-30. Also 33:50 “O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.”

Then there are many many Ahadees on this subject detailing sex with slaves. For example Sahih Bukhari volume 9, #506](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=506) "That during the battle with Bani Al-Mustaliq they (Muslims) captured some females and intended to have sexual relation with them without impregnating them. So they asked the Prophet about coitus interrupt us. The Prophet said, “It is better that you should not do it, for Allah has written whom He is going to create till the Day of Resurrection.” Qaza’a said, “I heard Abu Sa’id saying that the Prophet said, 'No soul is ordained to be created but Allah will create it.”

Sahih Bukhari volume 3, #342](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=342) "That while he was sitting with Allah’s Apostle he said, “O Allah’s Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interrupt us?” The Prophet said, “Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.”

Sahih Muslim, #3432](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3432) “Abu Sa’id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah’s Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:” And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end)."

Here is a very balanced and detailed article on this subject PCG
BBC - Religions - Islam: Slavery in Islam

[Med911]

Re: ISIL and the enslavement of Women

So where in Islam is Slavery now prohibited ?

[Med911]

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@Med911

So where in Islam is Slavery now prohibited ?

Dont everyone rush to answer…

[Balthier]

Re: ISIL and the enslavement of Women

Reforms were introduced, which prohibited slavery.
Yet, somehow people oppose to reforms in other areas.

People need to let their religion grow and adopt to an ever progressive world. Otherwise said peoples regression will mainly be their own fault.