ISIL and the enslavement of Women

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True dat, but in case of slave girl, no witnesses are required for the nikah, which pretty much makes it simply a consensual sex. Though one should make it a public knowledge that the girl is my slave, in which case it would be understood that she is also his mankooha.

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We are living in the 21st century, where everyone with half a brain knows that taking slaves is a barbaric tradition. Yet there are some who uphold it, claiming it has basis in Islam.

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who are the right hand possessed women? its just islamic term for sex slaves captured in war
those of you who are saying slavery was abolished by islam are outright lying. this is what islamic apologetics do. please show me a verse in quran which banned slavery. as far as i know, slavery is very much allowed, men are allowed to even have sex with female slaves! if thats not sex slaves, then what is?

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Men have to give children from such relation their name. Men have to give them their property.
That sound like real marriage. Women had their need met + family life.

Now go back in that time, and please propose a better solution for those women. Which include food, shelter and a family life.
I am all ears.

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You are talking about two different subjects here. Slavery in Islam, and sex with female slaves.

Let me first make it clear about sex with female slaves or sex slaves as you call it.

Quran does prohibit sex outside marriage with anyone including female slaves.

And whoever of you cannot afford to marry the independent believing women, then from those committed to you by oath of the believing maidens. God is more aware of your faith, you are to each other (i.e. equal). You shall marry them with the permission of their guardians and give them their dowries in kindness; to be protected, not for illicit sex or taking lovers. If they become protected, then any of them who comes with lewdness shall have half the punishment of what is for the independent women. This is for those who fear hardship from among you. But if you are patient it is better for you, and God is Forgiver, Merciful.} Surat an-Nisa’ 4:25*

Now as to your question why Quran and Hadith didn't ban slavery.

yes, Quran and Hadith didn't ban slavery outright but the rules and regulations that the Quran and the Prophet( pbuh) brought to us in regard to the wellbeing and rights of slaves eventually led to the abolishment of slavery.

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glad to see you admit islam doesn't abolish slavery and very much allows it. and no islam did not evenutally lead to abolishment of slavery at all! it very much allows it. secondly, yes men are allowed to have sex with female slaves and women captured in war (the right hand possess). so basically after killing their husbands in war, muslim men are allowed to take them in and have sex with them as long as they provide them food and shelter. im sure there is some 'hikma' behind it which the islamic apologetics will bring up as there is for everything but lets not twist facts.

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I don't think you read my post properly. Anyway, if you don't have any references for all your claims in above post (which I'm sure you don't) then no point in arguing. You can believe in whatever stories you want to make yourself happy with. But if you want I can post the rules that Islam presented for the rights of slaves...it's documented history so I don't think its me who's twisting any "facts". Ciao

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what is a right hand servant/possession as mentioned in Quran?

What is a

It is not permissible for a man to have intercourse with anyone except his wife or** his female slave (concubine)**. A wife becomes permissible after shar’i marriage and a concubine becomes permissible to the man who owns her. She may originally be a prisoner of war, and a Muslim may obtain a concubine from the ruler or commander if he took part in fighting in jihad, or if he buys her from her owner. She becomes permissible for him by virtue of his ownership after it is established that she is not pregnant by waiting for one menstrual cycle, or until she has given birth if she is pregnant.
Intercourse with female prisoners of war - islamqa.info
doesn’t even say if a female slave has to consent to sex. she is basically his property and he can have sex with her. thats pretty much rape. lets call a spade a spade. islam doesn’t give any importance to consent. either sex is halal or haram. its halal if its between married couple, or with women captured during war and sex slaves. its haram when its between unmarried people unless the woman is his slave..

Sahih Muslim. Chapter 29: Title: It is permissible to have sexual intercourse with a captive woman after she is purified of menses or delivery. In case she has a husband, her marriage is abrogated after she becomes captive.

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Dear lord, my head is spinning.

Islam did not abolish slavery.
Hinduism did not abolish slavery.
Buddhism did not abolish slavery.
Christianity did not abolish slavery.
Democracy did not abolish slavery.

Secularism did not abolish slavery.

Slavery has been abolished in Islam.
Slavery has been abolished in Christendom.
Slavery has been abolished in contemporary democracies.
...
and so on.

With regards to Islam, Sharia allows for agreements with non-Muslim parties so long as they are at the least equitable. Muslims are honor bound to uphold these agreements. It is flippant, and down right ignorant to sugges the "mere" decrees of a Caliph count for nothing. They bind. Starting with the Brussels Conference act of 1890, a quid pro quo of sorts has been established whereby Muslims will neither take slaves, nor be slaves.

The rebel states of the Gulf ratified equivalent agreements last century.

The treaties are sound, and anyone who suggests that there has been a violation on the part of non Muslims (aside from perhaps the Bosnian cival war where the Serbs most definitely practiced sexual slavery), is an outright liar. These treaties stand. And we all benefit.

With regards to Slavery being a part of Jihad, Jihad itself can be suspended by agreement, treaty, etc. Slavery is not mandated, it was practiced. The old canard of not being able to forbid what has been allowed is lazy thinking...treaties do exactly that.

Wahhabis, Allah guide them, cannot be used as a gauge of the contemporary status of scholarship on any issue. Double so for Khawarij like ISIS.

The motivation for ISIS to re-establish slavery has less to do with historical applications of Sharia, and more to do with the Hadith that suggest the at the end of times, a slave girl will give birth to her master. Ergo, we must have slavery for the end of times to begin. This was very explicit in the most recent issue of Dabiq.

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Don't understand why some people think that just because they belong to a certain faith, they can leave their humanity, morality and reason aside in certain issues. As far as I know you are always allowed to use your brain and moral conducts.

Basic humane values in this matter, for which you dont need to consult the Quran, Hadith, the bible, Bhagvad Gita or anything else in this day and age.

  1. Keeping slaves is an inhumane and disgusting practice

  2. Rape is ALWAYS wrong.

  3. You don't kill someone and then take said mans wife and kids as slaves, and start raping his wife. NO MATTER which rights you might or not might give her.

If you do any of this, you have completely failed as a human being.

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And who do you think out of all the faiths is taking slaves and raping their wives? None.

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My point isnt that there are religions condoning slavery and rape. My point is that religion shouldn't even be consulted in such a matter. It has got nothing to with spirituality, its a completely worldly matter.

In situations like this, people should use their common sense and values as a human being. All human beings, with even a remote sense of humanity, know that rape and slavery is wrong, no matter which angle you look at it.

And when you take POWs as slaves and rape them, no matter which status you give them, you are comitting an inhumane and disgusting act.

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Well most religions have two aspects. Spirituality and the physical laws. Slavery didn't always have the grotesqueness and inhumanity attached to it.

Just want to clarify, ISIS have totally misinterpreted the Quran and Islamic laws to make slavery acceptable...heck they have misinterpreted almost everything. That's why they are considered Khawarij. Now anyone who thinks that Islam as a religion allows or encourages taking slaves is either a radical like ISIS, or a fanatic who in his hatred for Islam is willing to buy this crap.

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ISIS subjects Yazidi women to ‘rape, sex slavery’ - CNN.com

Erbil, Iraq (CNN) – Jana was a 19-year-old in her final year of high school, with dreams of becoming a doctor. Then, ISIS came to her village last August, and her world collapsed.
She described to me in chilling detail, how the jihadis first demanded that members of her Yazidi religious minority convert to Islam. Then they stripped villagers of their jewelry, money and cellphones. They separated the men from the women.
A United Nations report explained what happened next. ISIS “gathered all the males older than 10 years of age at the local school, took them outside the village by pick-up trucks, and shot them.”
Among those believed dead were Jana’s father and eldest brother.
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A different fate lay in store for the women.
Jana described how girls like herself were separated from older women, then bussed to the city of Mosul.
There they were put in a big three-story house with hundreds of other young women. The men of ISIS came periodically, and chose up to three and four girls at a time to take home with them.
“These women have been treated like cattle,” explained Nazand Begikhani, an adviser to the Kurdistan Regional Government on gender issues.
“They have been subjected to physical and sexual violence, including systematic rape and sex slavery. They’ve been exposed in markets in Mosul and in Raqqa, Syria, carrying price tags.”
Perhaps more importantly, Begikhani is also a researcher at the UK-based University of Bristol’s Gender and Violence Research Center. According to the field research and testimonials of Begikhani’s team, ISIS kidnapped more than 2,500 Yazidi women.
Meanwhile Narin Shiekh Shamo, a Yazidi activist based in Iraqi Kurdistan has compiled the names of at least 4,601 Yazidi women currently missing.
In the first month after the mass abductions, Shamo says she was receiving calls and messages from up to 70 different hostages a day. Now, she can’t reach a single hostage.
After more than a decade reporting on conflict in the Middle East, I was still ill-prepared to hear about the scale of this kidnapping and modern day enslavement.
Suddenly, the words of a 19-year-old ISIS imprisoned fighter whom I interviewed last weekend in a Kurdish prison in northern Syria made sense.
The young man, horribly disfigured from bullet wounds to his abdomen and arm received during his year of fighting on the frontlines, described how ISIS attracted fresh recruits with the offer of cash and “wives.”
ISIS actually justified its enslavement of Yazidis in its own online magazine.
“One should remember that enslaving the families of the kuffar – the infidels – and taking their women as concubines is a firmly established aspect of the Shariah, or Islamic law,” the group announced in the ISIS publication “Dabiq.”
The Kurdish authorities say they have rescued around 100 Yazidi women, in part through the payment of ransoms to Arab tribesmen who acted as intermediaries.
Thousands of women remain hostage. And with ISIS successfully defending its territory from a loose coalition of Iraqi military, Iraqi Kurdish peshmerga, Syrian Kurdish militants and US-led airstrikes, it doesn’t look like a white knight will charge in to rescue these poor women any time soon.
Begikhani said all of the 100 Yazidi women rescued from ISIS appeared to have been systematically raped, likely by more than one man.
The 19-year-old girl I spoke with here in Iraqi Kurdistan was deeply traumatized, and incapable of showing any joy or humor. Her mother and two brothers are still being held hostage by ISIS.
Asked what she would say if she met the 70-year-old Arab man who took her home and ordered her to convert to Islam at gunpoint, she says: “I wouldn’t want to tell him anything. I just want to kill him.”
Jana says she has given up her dream of becoming a doctor.

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That's my main point, unless we keep spiritual and worldly matters apart, we are bound to run into problems. Religion is constantly being misinterpreted and misunderstood by some. If the spiritual part is misunderstood, no one comes to harm in this world. They might come to harm in the afterworld, if one chooses to believe in such. But if the worldly part is misunderstood, people get killed, flogged, stoned, raped, enslaved, due to the misunderstandings.

We should strive to keep worldly and spirtual matters apart, only then our societies can succeed on both levels. In matters regarding barbarism, such as rape and slavery, we should be humane enough to comprehend the difference between right or wrong, without having to consult religious scriptures. If we aren't, then we have failed as human beings.

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Islamic laws shouldn't be dismissed just because they come from a religious source. Quran gives the guidelines and the jurisprudence decides to act upon those guidelines and make them suitable to the needs of the societies and individuals. From the point of abolishment of slavery to putting an end to child soldiers, the contribution of the Islamic jurisprudence is huge and you can't deny their efforts.

Thee root cause of all evil is not religion neither the laws derived from religious Scriptures. It's the oppression and injustice that prevails the societies.

You most possibly can't think that eradication of religion from the justice system would turn society into utopia (please do read George Orwell's 1984). Books can tell you the most bloodiest part in history has been the secular age. And I doubt it's gonna get any better.

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I’m not denying that religion has brought improvements in societies over the years. But at the same time, we need to acknowledge that reactionary individuals are using the same verses in the Quran, to commit atrocities. We need to acknowledge that these verses in the Quran were revealed in the 7th century, a time when barbaric acts such as keeping slaves, raping (slaves), chopping of limbs, stoning, domestic violence against women and so on were accepted by the society in large.

If the Quran had told to abolish these acts outright, of course most of the people in those times would have rejected the Quran and its message. But we need to acknowledge that mankind has progressed since then. We are more enlightened, and generally more humane today than mankind was in the 6th and 7th century. In the video post by Monk above, the gentleman speaks of there not being any rules and regulations for POWs, which is wrong. We have the man created Geneva convention, which is obviously not perfect, but it clearly and in clear cut non-ambigious words, states how you should treat POWs humanely.

https://www.icrc.org/applic/ihl/ihl.nsf/7c4d08d9b287a42141256739003e636b/6fef854a3517b75ac125641e004a9e68

**"Prisoners of war must at all times be humanely treated. Any unlawful act or omission by the Detaining Power causing death or seriously endangering the health of a prisoner of war in its custody is prohibited, and will be regarded as a serious breach of the present Convention. In particular, no prisoner of war may be subjected to physical mutilation or to medical or scientific experiments of any kind which are not justified by the medical, dental or hospital treatment of the prisoner concerned and carried out in his interest.

Likewise, prisoners of war must at all times be protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity.

Measures of reprisal against prisoners of war are prohibited."
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We need to acknowledge that applying societal norms from the 6th and 7th centuries, into our daily lives, haven’t brought much good to our societies. While the rest of the world is progressing in science, medicine and as human beings generally, we are still stuck discussing matters such as whether its permissible to hold slaves or not.

If we look at muslim societies at large, we can clearly see that this is not working out for the muslim nations. When someone like Imran Khan speaks of bringing change to the Pakistani society, he doesn’t cite any muslim nations as beacons of justice and equality to adhere to, he rather cites Sweden, a largely atheist society, where religion basically has no position in the daily lives of people.

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I agree with most of what you said except that we’re not stuck as picoico indicated slavery was banned in 1800s by the Islamic caliphate. Other than that I have a huge problem with Sweden but I don’t wanna go into detail right now. (I have a migraine).

Geneva Convention and its stance on PoW…hmmm
Let’s see who’s taken prisoners of war illegally and tortured them recently? Umm…GITMO? Abu Ghuraib? Does that ring a bell?

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Here is a really good khutbah by Yasir Qadhi - background on Kharijites in the first half and from 22 mins onwards a good discourse about how we should behave and view ISIS.

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