Please note his second example. First example of the person telling you to use lemons and rose petals is obviously using a form of jadoo, which you should stay away from.
Makes me wonder about folks who advertise they can do ishtikharas for you, that people seek out through secret circles and connections of friends. Are they really doing the right thing? An ishtikhara helps you make a decision, this way or that way. But I’ve come across people who do ishtikharas where they will tell you x, y, z will happen unless or if you read this tasbeeh. Or they’ll tell you about whether someone is doing jadoo on you. Is an ishtikhara able to tell you these things? Or are these people dabbling a little bit in the dark arts, and working with jinns to figure out the answers to your benign questions ex. “I have an exam coming up, will I pass?”, “I am trying to apply for this job, will I get it?”, etc.
Or are the type of people in example 2 in this video trained to detect those who are in example 1? As an antidote for example, that if someone has done jadoo on you, then you can go to a person to get it undone, even if it means they are using jinns on their side?
Re: Ishtikhara - Is it really Ishtikhara or Jinn-magic?
Found this creepy stuff on sunniforum. What is a Ruqyah? Is this something we're allowed to do as muslims? Seems dodgy, and I don't think the Prophet did any of this!
Taken from a post at sunniforum:
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With the issue of sihr you will get many people who will spout their views even though most may not have experienced the problem. You will always get alot of Chinese whispers and lots of tittle tattle and ignorant comments such as black magic will end up killing you, you will never get the cure, the prophet pbuh was killed by black magic etc etc.
dont ask everyone otherwise you will get a different opinion every time and this will demoralise you and confuse you. When it comes to the world of jinn people like to make a big drama - unfortunately this shows our fear of them and a weakness in our imaan.
Now your question was - can you find out who has done black magic on you?? (I cant answer about evil eye because i dont know!!!!). The answer is yes - in my humble opinion/experience you can find out who has done black magic on you by;
1) doing istikhara - this is the best way to know if you have black magic/jinns and who has done it. there can be no doubt what you see. of course the istikhara should regarded separately from other dreams and nightmares
2) during the ruqyah - this has some factors to consider. Whilst quran is being read and the shaytaan is burning - depending upon the nature/type of shataan, the strength/belligerence of the shaytaan, they type of magic done and whether the magician blocks the shaytaan or not.
There are 3 occasions I am aware of when the shaytaan will tell you who it is
1) The shaytaan in either anger at getting caught or in pain because of the ruqyah threatens to kill the magician/s for putting him in that situation especially if the magician is not doing his magic at that moment in time.
2) if the shaytaan is weak and a bit stupid and lets it slip out who and how with regards to the sihr
3) if the shaytaan wants to become a muslim - he will tell you everything if he is genuine. Of course sometimes they only say this just to get out of their predicament and only then to come back later
3) some mualim can tell you or or give you clues and signs using their jinns or clothing etc (I dont know much about how they do this so I cant expand further)
I hope my experience can of true benefits and may allah swt forgive me for any mistakes I have said.
Re: Ishtikhara - Is it really Ishtikhara or Jinn-magic?
Peace Sister PCG
I like Mufti Menk a lot, but here I must include a clarification ... I believe he is talking on the side of caution ... I don't believe that if a person cures a problem through using Jinn as being in and of itself kufr ... So long as ... The person takes no credit for it, the person is open about his Jinn assistance and his Jinn friend is also Muslim and does what he does under no evil contract.
Kufr is to do things deceptively ... Engaging in black magic involves invoking evil Jinn and it involves dirty makruh and even haram things to be done by the practitioner ... The fact that Jinn's are involved is not the sole criteria for warning. And better not to take everything on Sunniforum except with a pinch of salt.
99 out of a hundred cases are that Jinn are used for creating problems not for solving them ... And even if an evil Jinn cures someone out of a sense of misdirected worship ... We should acknowledge that nothing cures except Allah (SWT) and if our cure happens ... However it happens we thank Allah (SWT) ... That belief criteria will enable us to remain in faith even when others have deceived us i.e. they have gotten us to use the services of a magician believing him to be an 'Alim ... We get rewarded for what our intentions were and that person will get his reward for lying and for invoking help from things when it was forbidden to do so.
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Though I haven't (and wouldn't) use a service where they make istikhara for money. To me it seems like someone's found something they can make money off the masses with. Of course that doesn't make istikhara any less effective or legitimate. People should just make the effort to do it for themselves.
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I thought we're not supposed to engage in Jinn kind, because they're often so deceptive that they may seem helpful, but they're really not.
Of course that is true ... but since we also believe that some Jinn are Muslim and if they come to us without us seeking them out then such exceptions need to be understood and also even if they seek us out - we need to verify what we get from all people be they mankind or jinn.
Our own duty of making sense of a situation is still paramount - we cannot subcontract out rational decision making to 3rd parties ... some responsibility and authority should be retained in everything that we do ... so even if we ask another to do istikhara for us we should still be doing it ourselves ...
Also note that many charlatans are not using Jinn at all ... they are just full of mumbojumbos designed to convince you that what they are doing is correct ... they use body language, theatrics of sorts and mind tricks to convince you of their authenticity. So that makes the people who are using Jinn even less in number ... And when reading the Qur'an we see that such people are false ...
Again I stress although many people are led astray by charalatans and magicians pretending to be people of God ... at least those people are only led astray in worldly matters ... I would not take it to the extent that Mufti Menk has stated that "their iman is sold" ... not necessarily ... the iman is only sold if they "attribute" any benefit to come from the helper and not from Allah (SWT), but if we as the lay public gain something and it makes us increase our focus on Allah (SWT) even if it was instigated by a charlatan then that does not amount to a loss of iman.
Re: Ishtikhara - Is it really Ishtikhara or Jinn-magic?
Read Surah Falaq and Surah Naas with Ayat al Kursi after Maghrib and Fajr Salaat, no Jinn or Shaytaan will harm you inshaAllah. Praying five times a day and maintaining wadu throughout the most of the day until bed also helpful.