Isah(A) speaking as an infant

I was just wondering…

Well, there’s this one surah in the Quran (can’t remember exactly which one) that tells about how when Isah (A) was born and how Maryam (R) was confronted by the townspeople. And that Angel Gibreal told her to tell them to go to the baby when they came to ask how she had the son without any father. Then, they heard the baby Isah (A) speak and say that he was a prophet of Allah(swt) or something. (Sorry, I don’t know the whole story too well or anything).

Yea so I was wondering…how come those people that literally saw an infant speak an actual language didn’t convert to Islam after experiencing that? I mean, if something as supernatural as that happened right before your eyes, you would really be shocked, yea? So how come the townspeople that saw this weren’t moved at all? What did they have to say about it?

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surah mariam?

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^The christian scriptures tells of so many miracles by him. This was first ever miracle by him. What could be their reason to not mention it in their books? Afterall it can only put another feather in the cap.

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???

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'Isa (as) spoke to people in the cradle (Surah Al 'Imran: 46), and that he performed several miracles. Another miracle is that he will come back to earth at a later time and speak to people. (Surah Al 'Imran: 46; Surat al-Ma'ida: 110)

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Verses 19:30-33 of the Quran:

He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet; "And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live; "(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable; “So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)”!

My bad, I meant to type “I am a man of God.” My father was reading me the Urdu translation and it was like “Mein Allah ka banda hoon” or something. :confused:

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^^ yes the words are "innee abdullah" in surah Maryam....
so that translated to "I am a slave of Allah"
this verse is used as strong proof that he (Isa AS) was not the son of ALLAH and but a human born of a miracle...

Now referring to your earlier question:Actually as I have heard most of them did accept the message brought by Isa AS (or accepted Allah) but again there were those who did not.
Jsut like any messenger that was sent calling to Allah, some accepted and others rejeted.
you need to read tafsir for this.
PM me if you have other specific questions and I will find the answers for you InshAllah.

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As with any prophet, they may well have dismissed the event as a trick.

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we will never know

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he brought back the dead to life (by the Will of Allah) and they still refused to believe him....

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Yea but...why?

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^Jews, did not beleive most of the messengers of Allah and murdered many.

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According to Jewish predictions, they were waiting for a great KING who will enter through the eastern Wall of Jerushalum and will rule the world. They were not expecting a few hours old baby to tell them that he came to them for their guidance and also brought new holly book from Allah.

This was the main reason that what ever Issha (A.S) did for them the people did not beleive him.

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Yea well ofcourse they're not expecting it! But I mean if you saw something like that was proclaimed from another faith...you'd consider converting, wouldn't you?! I mean, if I was a kaafir and I saw something like that, I'd convert like that. You'd think something like this could even turn athiests in to believers, yea?

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No, with all his signs and miracles, he also gave the human beings the free will. Some took it as a sign and believed in the one god, some took it as sign and declared him god, some believed he was the son of god, and some said its a trick to hide her sin....so the story goes on and on.

As a muslim I believe that, the guidance is a blessing from Allah, and for the one who want to use reason, there are plenty of signs around us to believe in one god.

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the mushrikeen of makkah asked the Prophet (saw) to split the moon in two halves as a sign of his prophethood....
he did so....... and they yet refused to believe....
they called him a magician, an illusionist....

ignorance makes u like that....

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Allah's messangers always provided signs that were very clear and no other human could do it. According to quran they were all called by the non-beleivers as magicians.

The Quran also mentions that those who do not want to seek the right path Allah close the door of wisdom and understanding to them. Their eyes, ears and hearts are sealed.

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When Allaah caused Jesus :as: or Mohammad :saw: to perform miracles the Kuffaar explained it off saying it was sorcery or demonic posession even when they knew these were true Prophets because there hearts were too corrupt through sin to surrender/submit to Allaah.

You see it today, Qur’aan is the greatest miracle but you see the Kuffaar rejecting it because they don’t want to hear what it’s got to say because they are enslaved to their desires.

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Phatima1:

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Yea so I was wondering...how come those people that literally saw an infant speak an actual language didn't convert to Islam after experiencing that? I mean, if something as supernatural as that happened right before your eyes, you would really be shocked, yea? So how come the townspeople that saw this weren't moved at all? What did they have to say about it?
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First** of all Isa (AS) did not come to Kafir (or Mushrik) nor brought any new religion or Shariyat. Isa (AS) came to this world as Prophet to guide his people (Jews) and no one else. Jews received many Prophets who even though were getting direct guidance from Allah, were actually teacher and guide for Jews [the prophet that brought Shariyat (known as ‘Law’) for Jews were Musa (AS) and Isa (AS) came to call people towards and remind people the shariyat of Musa (AS)].

Surah 3: ayah 49 [regarding Isa (AS), that he came as a messenger to the children of Israel (that is Jews)]
YUSUFALI: "And (appoint him*) a messenger to the Children of Israel*, (with this message):

Surah5: ayah 46 [Isa (AS) was sent to attest (confirm, remind, teach, and guide) the laws given by Allah through Mosa (AS)]

YUSUFALI: And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.

Note: Before Prophet Muhammad (SAW), no prophet came as Prophet for all (awam-ul-naas). Except Prophet (SAW), all Prophet (AS) came for their people (their community) that prophet (AS) were sent. Prophet (SAW) was the only Prophet sent by Allah as Prophet for all human being (awam-ul-naas)]

Second thing is that, miracles in those days, when Isa (AS) was born, especially amongst Jews, was not such a big deal (and people did not use to take miracles, as present era people feel people of that time should have taken).

Third is that, Isa (AS) talked to those people as a new born baby, who were near (in terms of kinship) as obviously those who were not near in kinship had no reason to be near Marium (AS) or Isa (AS) when he was new-born. (Those that saw Isa (AS) talking were pious Jews as there is no reason to believe that they were not).

Fourth is that, Isa (AS) talked as child, with purpose to verify about himself (that he is born without father, as will of Allah) and verify the chastity of Marium (AS), to those who were (rightly) doubting Marium (AS) (as until Isa (AS) talked, there was no reason for them not to doubt). Regardless, that does not mean those doubting were not pious Jews (actually, strictly speaking, at that time, they were pious Muslims (Jews)).

[Just imagine what they said to Marium (AS): They said: "O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought! O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!" <-- Shows that they valued good and expected good from Marium (AS), thus were disappointed, obviously, until they knew the truth.

Is what they said an evil saying or saying of misguided? Or is that saying, saying of people who were pious but were amazed by such happening (as they did not knew that Isa (AS) was miracle of Allah).

Just imagine, these people reminding Marium (AS) her pious background and then telling her that what happened is not good. (Obviously, they were pious but unknown of the fact). When Marium (AS) pointed them towards Isa (AS) and Isa (AS) talked, obviously, they accepted, as we all know that no one persecuted Marium (AS) and she lived a married life with Joseph (Yusuf).

Surah 19: Ayah 27-34

YUSUFALI: At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!
YUSUFALI: "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!"
YUSUFALI: But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?"
YUSUFALI: He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;

So at that time when Isa (AS) was born and talked, though Isa (AS) claimed prophet-hood, he was neither preaching, neither his work as teacher started. (What I know, he declared his prophet-hood to people at the age of around 29-30 and ascended when he was around 33 years old).

[Note: In reality, the purpose of birth, time in this world, and ascending of Isa (AS) is much more then a teacher (and preacher) for Jews and people of his time, but that is something not directly related to Isa (AS) as prophet for Jews. Rather, life and events in the life of Isa (AS) from birth to ascending (with the will of Allah), is more related to a ‘particular test’ from Allah for all the people of the world (from the time Isa (AS) ascended to the time of Qiyamat). Anyhow, this is irrelevant to present topic, so better leave it].

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^wOW , dats great stuff to know.

shukria, thanks.