Re: Isa (AS), Quran and his second coming:
Peace dear psyah and thanks for your responding to my post. As far as quran is concern, it is based in rationality and on that basis it lays claims and points out evidences and backs them up with arguments to prove its claims. This is how the quran works. Perfectly scientific method. No mullahs nonsense and no mullah invented spiritual nonsense.
So called miraculous stories you are talking about could be explained other ways so that proves that these miracle stories are at least doubtful and therefore invalid claims. Also I explained already why any irrational claim is invalid but to make it more plain when something has rational explanation positively or negatively then there is no space in that case for doubt is you have proved the claim either true or false. Doubtful claims can only be such as cannot be proven either way. They are then just possibilities. To me it seems from your reply that you have taken mullahs interpretation of islam without its critical examination. I do not know you would do that but some times people are not aware of of what a proof is and what is difference between proof and evidence. Many people get confused in this because in dictionary meanings of proof and evidence are interchangeable, however in actual fact their meanings depend on the context in which these words are used. Proof is explanation of evident facts that one uses for proving a claim. For example, a witness sees someone shoot someone dead firing two shots. In court we have two parts one witness statement=evidence and the independent facts related to this incident. What police is going to do is match the gun with shooter through his finger prints on the gun and take out the bullets from the body of the dead person and through ballistics test show that bullets came from the gun of the shooter. So we have testimony of the witness and independently verified facts and we can see one thing matches the other so the case is proven ie this is how statements and facts come together or are brought together to turn them into a proof. Likewise The quran lays claims about this world, points out some evidences for observations and its explanation regarding those facts seems to fit perfectly thereby proving that it is word of Allah. Hope this helps to clarify the problem you have understanding the quran as a proof.
The quran is proof from Allah to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that it is from Allah.
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/2/2/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/2/23/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/4/82/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/4/170/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/4/174/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/5/15/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/6/93/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/6/104/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/10/38/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/10/57/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/11/13/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/12/111/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/13/43/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/18/56/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/21/24/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/22/3/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/22/8/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/27/64/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/37/157/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/46/4/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/52/34/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/52/38/default.htm
If you look into the quran there are many many verses about the quran being proof from Allah in various ways. It claims none can produce the constitution or guidance like the quran and anyone is welcome to debate on this issue and one will that quran does prove true. It is because mullahs and prrs etc wanted to make our people stupid they have invented concept of mazhab that that is how they turn the quran into mumbo jumbo. The reason they do this is because they want to rule people either as rulers and ruling elite or as their priests.
The quran tells us very clearly to be careful about clergy. In the quran we read 3/64,79 and 9/31
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/3/64/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/3/79/default.htm
http://www.islamawakened.com//Quran/9/31/default.htm
The quran does not allow us even to take his prophet anything more than that. Humanity is a brotherhood not a master slave thing, for all people are equal under the divine constitution. Better people deserve our respect as such but nothing more than that.
It is because islam came to save man from slavery of man not to make them slaves of each other. If we look at video on youtube we can see how our people have lost our dignity by respecting our mullahs and peers in all sorts of wrong ways. It is particularly sad because these mullahs and peers do not stop people from doing these things which shows these people love seeing other people under their control.
Islam is not about pooja paat of Allah but about looking after each other in the name of Allah. This is why he revealed for us knowledge as to how to organise ourselves as one family and work hard to make this world a paradise for ourselves. He did this so that we shed no blood and do no harm to each other but to look after each other by working hard for each other not against each other.
Compare this concept of islam to mullahs’ concept of islam. What has that islam given to humanity so far and what will it give it if we continue following that idea? So it is time to realise why we are not getting the results that Allah promised us because we have misinterpreted the quran and we ourselves can see that we have become zabaani kalaami musalmaan exactly as mullahs wanted us. to be. All because like Adam we did not listen to Allah’s advice and instead blindly followed our mullahs and rulers. We have no sense of purpose of things, we just do them because we assume they are good regardless if they actually are or they are not.
It is due to this people have become dispossessed, weak and poor without any dignity, because for any man who wants to meet set challenges must stand up, not lie down. This how these mullahs and peers have make us lose our self respect and we lying in every tomb looking for help from the dead because the living have failed to help us and who made the living fail to help us these mullahs. Just as rulers created laws to control us for their ends so have mullahs made laws to control us for their ends. Ruler made laws to control us in the name of state and mullahs control us through making laws about our private lives thereby controlling our private lives. Thus they have states within states. This is what secularism all about to use and abuse masses by playing games with the ignorant public.
This is why our mullahs are funded even by nonmuslim states that benefit from stupidity of our people. We need to learn facts fast because time is running out. This is why understanding sir syed, iqbal, jinnah etc and creation of pakistan is very, very important. If we do not wake up to what people are doing to us then may be there will not be pakistan any more. Islam is such an ideology that has a lot of enemies both from outside as well as from inside and because pakistan was created for showing the world what islamic working model looks like so everyone is worried they will lose economic based slavery.
Our poeple have little respect for sir syed, iqbal and jinnah because they do not know how clever these people were for the good of this ummah. Such people do not arise every day and that is why no such leader rose after them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK7k2_NFQzY&feature=related
regards and al the best