is this World's best Batting lineup today??

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Re: is this World's best ODI Batting lineup today??

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*Originally posted by andha_qanoon: *
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260/10(50 ) vs WI         WON
272/4(48.5 ) vs ENG      WON
203/6(45.2) vs SL                  WON
285/4(50) vs ENG                  ABANDONED
188/6(48.1) vs SL                  WON
165 vs ENG                           LOST
304/10(50) vs SL                   WON
326/8(49.3) vs ENG                WON
288/6(50) vs ZIM                   WON
271/2(39.2) vs ENG                WON

Looks like on average team is scorng 270+.Intrestingly most of these win has been without significant contribution from Tendulkar.

is it better than Australian lineup..or 2nd best !!!!
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How good is Indian batting line up in chasing targets? Out of all these listed how many were scored while chasing target?

[Spock]

*Originally posted by andha_qanoon: *

R u sure you have sound reasoning skill.

About your conclusion you have right to say whatever you think about this batting lineup.

But please dont give winning margin as a reason. It makes you sound real dumb and its insult to the intelligence of people on this forum.

Ok, so according to you winning by 10 or 15 runs against Zimbabwe makes you wonder your team has the best batting line up?

[andha_qanoon]

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*Originally posted by Spock: *

Ok, so according to you winning by 10 or 15 runs against Zimbabwe makes you wonder your team has the best batting line up?
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yes... if batsmen scored good run then it does.ow much run ZIMbabwe makes depends on the bowlers.

By the way chasing... 325 makes batting great..
making 270 in 40 overs makes batting great..
chasing 270 and 280s consistantly makes batting great..
Making on average 270 in each match makes batting great....

[Spock]

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*Originally posted by andha_qanoon: *

yes... if batsmen scored good run then it does.ow much run ZIMbabwe makes depends on the bowlers.

By the way chasing... 325 makes batting great..
making 270 in 40 overs makes batting great..
chasing 270 and 280s consistantly makes batting great..
Making on average 270 in each match makes batting great....

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Anywayz, if your batting is so good, how come you have an 18% win record and havent won in 16 years?

[UMAIR316]

May I tell you the same batting lineup which has come togeather in the past 1 or 2 years has yet to prove their abilities against Australia or South Africa on non sub contitnental pitches.
I believe the same batting lineup went to Australia in the CU series and managed only one victory against in the 6 matches they played against Pak and Aus.

The same great batting lineup was knocked out for less than 120 against Windies in Barbados test.

The same batting lineup was humiliated against Srilanka for only 87 runs.

The same batting lineup which is yet to win a single test outside India for the past 2 years, inlcuding white washes against Australia, loss 1-0 to Windies, Loss of 2-0 to SA, Tied with England and Zimbabwe with 1-1.

[andha_qanoon]

*Originally posted by UMAIR316: *

May I tell you the same batting lineup which has come togeather in the past 1 or 2 years has yet to prove their abilities against Australia or South Africa on non sub contitnental pitches.
I believe the same batting lineup went to Australia in the CU series and managed only one victory against in the 6 matches they played against Pak and Aus.

The same great batting lineup was knocked out for less than 120 against Windies in Barbados test.

The same batting lineup was humiliated against Srilanka for only 87 runs.

The same batting lineup which is yet to win a single test outside India for the past 2 years, inlcuding white washes against Australia, loss 1-0 to Windies, Loss of 2-0 to SA, Tied with England and Zimbabwe with 1-1.

Again you are sounding so dumb.Problem with you is that you never check facts before you open your mouth.In all those examples you gave ,only 3 or 4 guys of the batting lineup we are discussing were presnt.So in your despression to proff me wrong dont start giving wrong data.
Very first post says Is* this** world hottest **ODI batting **lineup !!! *
So dont bring records of TEST and the period when Pataudi used to play or india’s win %. Stick to topic.

Here is the score of matches played by india from last trip of SL when this lineup came together.
Check it and let me know..think before you speak.

1 NZ  211/8 50   50     - W CCC (SL)   2 v NZ  in SL  2001    at Colombo (RPS) (d/n) [1736]
2 Ind 127   41.1 50   212 L
1 SL  221/9 50   50     - W CCC (SL)   3 v SL  in SL  2001    at Colombo (RPS) (d/n) [1737]
2 Ind 215/7 50   50   222 L
1 NZ  200   46.4 48     - W CCC (SL)   5 v NZ  in SL  2001    at Colombo (RPS) [1739]
2 Ind 133   39.4 47   201 L
1 SL  183   46.5 50     - L CCC (SL)   6 v SL  in SL  2001    at Colombo (RPS) [1740]
2 Ind 184/3 45.4 50   184 W
1 Ind 227/8 50   50     - W CCC (SL)   8 v SL  in SL  2001    at Colombo (SSC) [1742]
2 SL  181   45.5 50   228 L
1 NZ  264/7 50   50     - L CCC (SL)   9 v NZ  in SL  2001    at Colombo (SSC) [1743]
2 Ind 267/3 45.4 50   265 W
1 SL  295/5 50   50     - W CCC (SL)   F v SL  in SL  2001    at Colombo (RPS) (d/n) [1744]
2 Ind 174   47.2 50   296 L
1 Ind 279/5 50   50     - L Std Bank   1 v SA  in SA  2001/02 at Johannesburg (d/n) [1752]
2 SA  280/4 48.2 50   280 W
1 Ind 233   48.5 50     - W Std Bank   3 v SA  in SA  2001/02 at Centurion (d/n) [1757]
2 SA  192   46.2 50   234 L
1 Ken  90   37.1 50     - L Std Bank   4 v Ken in SA  2001/02 at Bloemfontein (d/n) [1758]
2 Ind  91/0 11.3 50    91 W
1 Ken 246/6 50   50     - W Std Bank   6 v Ken in SA  2001/02 at Port Elizabeth (d/n) [1761]
2 Ind 176   46.4 50   247 L
1 SA  282/4 50   50     - W Std Bank   7 v SA  in SA  2001/02 at East London (d/n) [1762]
2 Ind 236   44.4 50   283 L
1 Ind 351/3 50   50     - W Std Bank   9 v Ken in SA  2001/02 at Paarl (d/n) [1764]
2 Ken 165/5 50   50   352 L
1 Ind 183   48.2 50     - L Std Bank   F v SA  in SA  2001/02 at Durban (d/n) [1766]
2 SA  187/4 42.1 50   184 W
1 Ind 281/8 50   50     - W 1st ODI      v Eng in Ind 2001/02 at Calcutta (Kolkata) (d/n) [1788]
2 Eng 259   44   49   282 L
1 Eng 250/7 50   50     - W 2nd ODI      v Eng in Ind 2001/02 at Cuttack [1792]
2 Ind 234   48.4 50   251 L
1 Eng 217   48   50     - L 3rd ODI      v Eng in Ind 2001/02 at Chennai (d/n) [1795]
2 Ind 221/6 46.4 50   218 W
1 Eng 218/7 39   39     - L 4th ODI      v Eng in Ind 2001/02 at Kanpur [1798]
2 Ind 219/2 29.4 39   219 W
1 Eng 271/5 50   50     - W 5th ODI      v Eng in Ind 2001/02 at Delhi [1800]
2 Ind 269/8 50   50   272 L
1 Eng 255   49.1 50     - W 6th ODI      v Eng in Ind 2001/02 at Mumbai (d/n) [1803]
2 Ind 250   49.5 50   256 L
1 Ind 274/6 50   50     - L 1st ODI      v Zim in Ind 2001/02 at Faridabad [1814]
2 Zim 277/9 49.4 50   275 W
1 Ind 319/6 50   50     - W 2nd ODI      v Zim in Ind 2001/02 at Chandigarh (d/n) [1815]
2 Zim 255   43.3 49   320 L
1 Ind 191   48.3 50     - L 3rd ODI      v Zim in Ind 2001/02 at Kochi [1816]
2 Zim 197/4 44.2 50   192 W
1 Zim 240/8 50   50     - L 4th ODI      v Zim in Ind 2001/02 at Hyderabad (Decc) (d/n) [1817]
2 Ind 244/5 48.1 50   241 W
1 Ind 333/6 50   50     - W 5th ODI      v Zim in Ind 2001/02 at Guwahati [1818]
2 Zim 232   42.1 48   334 L
1 WI  186   44.5 49     - L 3rd ODI      v WI  in WI  2001/02 at Bridgetown [1836]
2 Ind 187/3 43.5 49   187 W
1 Ind 123   25   25     - L 4th ODI      v WI  in WI  2001/02 at Port of Spain [1837]
2 WI  124/3 22.1 25   124 W
1 Ind 260   50   50     - W 5th ODI      v WI  in WI  2001/02 at Port of Spain [1838]
2 WI  191   36.2 44   248 L
1 Eng 271/7 50   50     - L NW Series  2 v Eng in Eng 2002    at Lord's [1848]
2 Ind 272/4 48.5 50   272 W
1 SL  202/8 50   50     - L NW Series  3 v SL  in Eng 2002    at The Oval [1849]
2 Ind 203/6 45.2 50   203 W
1 Ind 285/4 50   50     - N NW Series  5 v Eng in Eng 2002    at Chester-le-Street (d/n) [1851]
2 Eng  53/1 12.3 50   286 N
1 SL  187   48.2 50     - L NW Series  6 v SL  in Eng 2002    at Birmingham [1852]
2 Ind 188/6 48.1 50   188 W
1 Eng 229/8 32   32     - W NW Series  8 v Eng in Eng 2002    at The Oval [1854]
2 Ind 165   29.1 32   230 L
1 Ind 304   50   50     - W NW Series  9 v SL  in Eng 2002    at Bristol (d/n) [1855]
2 SL  241   44.1 50   305 L
1 Eng 325/5 50   50     - L NW Series  F v Eng in Eng 2002    at Lord's [1856]
2 Ind 326/8 49.3 50   326 W
1 Ind 288/6 50   50     - W ICC KO     3 v Zim in SL  2002/03 at Colombo (RPS) (d/n) [1876]
2 Zim 274/8 50   50   289 L
1 Eng 269/7 50   50     - L ICC KO    11 v Eng in SL  2002/03 at Colombo (RPS) (d/n) [1884]
2 Ind 271/2 39.3 50   270 W
1 Ind 261/9 50   50     - W ICC KO    SF v SA  in SL  2002/03 at Colombo (RPS) (d/n) [1886]
2 SA  251/6 50   50   262 L

Summary

P   W   L  T  NR    %  HS  LS  MC  LC BatAv BowAv R/6b C/6b
  38  22  15  0   1  59% 351 123 325  90  33.5  29.7 5.14 4.94

India

Other great team during same period.
Pakistan
Australia
South Africa
Sri Lanka

looking at above data ..it looks like batting performance is in this order..
SA
IND
AUS
SL
PAK

[UMAIR316]

In all those examples you gave ,only 3 or 4 guys of the batting lineup we are discussing were presnt

Correct me if I’m wrong but how many players does it take to make a batting lineup, if you are saying only 3 or 4 were present then, isn’t it preety much the whole batting lineup.

I suggest you should only show the performance of India matches outside subcontinent where they are vulnerable.

1 Ken 246/6 50 50 - **W** Std Bank 6 v Ken in SA 2001/02 at Port Elizabeth (d/n) [1761] 
2 Ind 176 46.4 50 247 **L**

I will never forget this match

[andha_qanoon]

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*Originally posted by UMAIR316: *

Correct me if I'm wrong but how many players does it take to make a batting lineup, if you are saying only 3 or 4 were present then, isn't it preety much the whole batting lineup.

I suggest you should only show the performance of India matches outside subcontinent where they are vulnerable.

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No its not..In onedayers teams typically have 6 or 7....

Why ??runs comes free in subcontinant or what.If so why doesnt other teams score.

Didnt Pakistan was bowled out for 200 by SL and AUS on 161. ;)

[UMAIR316]

Yet again you are avoiding the topic by focusing you attention on other teams, Australia just had a bad day and none of us in here are jumping up and down about Pakistan’s batting like you are to the Indian batsmans.

Out of the current Indian batting lineup, only 2 of them play ODI only (Kaif, Yuvraj) The others who play both Tendulkur, Ganguly, Sehwag, Laxman, Dravid have been part of the Indian team for the past 2 years and they make the majority of the Indian lineup.

Ind vs quality bowling attacks outside subcontinent.

vs Australia 241/6 50 50 270 L
vs Australia 100 36.3 50
vs Aus 177 46.5 50 330 L
vs Aus 226/6 50 50 - L
vs Pak 195 48.5 50
vs Pak 230 46.5 48
vs Pak 157 46 50
vs Pak 267/6 50
vs Saf 279/5 50
vs Saf 233 48.5 50
vs Saf 236 44.4 50
vs Saf 183 48.2 50

With the exception of 3 or 4 innings, Indian batting is ordinary like others.
You say they are averaging against 270+ against All teams in ODI.
Lets see how they average against Pak, Aus, Saf outside Subcontinent.

AVERAGE=210.3

If thats your defintion of the best ODI batting lineup in the past 2 yrs than good luck!

[Sohaib]

Umair kitni dafa kaha hai ke stats ki maar na maara karo
:k:

[mo_best]

That Indian is getting whupped in this argument. Umair keep it up bro, well done.

Besides, the best ODI teams win-and India's bowling balances out its batting. ie You score 270, but they plunder your attack for 271- 9 times out of 10.

[Asif_k]

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*Originally posted by Spock: *
winning by 10 or 15 runs against Zimbabwe makes you wonder your team has the best batting line up?
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No losing to SL by 6 wickets is the best batting line up. India has a good batting line up as good as any one in the world right now.

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Anywayz, if your batting is so good, how come you have an 18% win record and havent won in 16 years?
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Because our bowling has not been very good most of the times..and we accept that.

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*Originally posted by UMAIR316: *
India avereging 270 against 3rd rate bowling of Zimbabwe, injury hit England bowling, SL without Murali, definatly even Kenya and Bangladesh can average that much.
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Yeah at least we didn't loose to that 3rd Grade team at home.

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If India can play Australia on a green track their averages won't be more than 125 or 150 like you mentioned.
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Why should we play at Green track - If Mcgrath is good he will be good anywhere like Marshal,Holding etc. And by the way we won our World Cup at GREEN WICKETS against the Mighty English & West Indies.

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*Originally posted by UMAIR316: *
Australia just had a bad day and none of us in here are jumping up and down about Pakistan's batting like you are to the Indian batsmans.
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Ohh - When Australia lost to any other team than Pakistan means they were having a bad day, But If they lost to Pakistan means Pakistan is a better team - Waah what a Logic.

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Out of the current Indian batting lineup, only 2 of them play ODI only (Kaif, Yuvraj) The others who play both Tendulkur, Ganguly, Sehwag, Laxman, Dravid have been part of the Indian team for the past 2 years and they make the majority of the Indian lineup.

Ind vs quality bowling attacks outside subcontinent.

vs Australia 241/6 50 50 270 L
vs Australia 100 36.3 50

vs Aus 177 46.5 50 330 L
vs Aus 226/6 50 50 - L
vs Pak 195 48.5 50
vs Pak 230 46.5 48
vs Pak 157 46 50
vs Pak 267/6 50
vs Saf 279/5 50
vs Saf 233 48.5 50
vs Saf 236 44.4 50

vs Saf 183 48.2 50

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If you check the Stats properly - Shewagh,Yuvraj,Kaif were not part of that team in any of the matches against Aus & Pak - So YOUR STATS are INCORRECT.

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With the exception of 3 or 4 innings, Indian batting is ordinary like others.
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I have seen India has crossed 225 7 times out of 12 which is not bad.

[Spock]

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*Originally posted by Spock: *
If you beat teams like Zimbabwe with more than 15 runs... say 80 runs or so, then you have a good line up, let alone the best batting lineup...
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You should learn to carry out an argument, the above is what I wrote in response to AQs question

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Is this world hottest ODI batting lineup !!!

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Sure, you can think winning by 15 runs against Zimbabwe makes you the best batsman of the world, but when someoene contradicts that, stop saying thats an insult to your intelligence...

[UMAIR316]

Oh come on Ehsan bhai, why did you delete my posts, none of them were personal, we were just discussing why India does not have the best batting lineup in the world and I worked so hard on putting the stats
here.

[ehsan]

*Originally posted by UMAIR316: *
Oh come on Ehsan bhai, why did you delete my posts, none of them were personal, we were just discussing why India does not have the best batting lineup in the world and I worked so hard on putting the stats
here.

Umair bhai they were way :topic:

There were no stats in the posts deleted. I have checked again.