Is this true?

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Re: Is this true?

@ZeeshanParvez

So, saying O Jesus help me right now when he has not returned is permissible? Keeping in line with your thought it should be.

Im saying we must do it as a community and there is a time for that, so in essence it is a permissible action saying ‘‘Oh Isa Alaihis Salam help me’’

and can not say much more then that due to technicalities, just technicalities by the way

We can discuss what constitutes Kufr in Islam in the light of classical scholars later. Let’s first understand your entire view point on Istigathaa in detail.

With regards to Istighatha, I have already shown you some proofs. And you have denied, and said it is Tawassul, well yes it is Tawassul, that is what Imam Subki Rehmatullah Alaih has explained on behalf of the ummah. And undoubtedly its permissibility is one of the accepted positions of this ummat, so it does not really matter what you think. It would be better for you to concentrate on aligning yourself with the community, and if you do not do that the least you can do is know that you are misguided with the weight of the Islamic nation against you

The Muslims have always been Qaburis, since Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala puts His Beloveds in Qabars for us to visit, and fill our bellies with blessings. The scholars, sunni scholars, have warned about excessiveness and about leaving other obligations and just getting our fills from the graves.

@ZeeshanParvez

Oh and I must commend you on reiterating something over and over again. In Psychology it is known as brainwashing. It is said “Repeat (even) a lie long enough and people will believe you.”

Well it needs to be said for me to be helpful. You will need to kill kufr and start over. I didn’t say you were a Kaffir, who would never be admitted into Paradise, i think there is kufr in some of your opinions -one being your dislike for Tawassul, you have no right to dislike Tawassul as Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala and His Messenger SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam have liked and taught Tawassul

If it helps, we, including me, can suffer from committing acts of kufr. Without going into specifics I am always looking back at my own mistakes, and some of them can be nothing less then kufr. To fail to realise this is to stay in kufr, and to realise our mistakes is to make tauba, is to come back into faith

@saaron

I am not a very religious person but isn’t there only 12 imams?

There is a dhikr of 12 Imams in Hadith Sharif but those are thought to be 12 leaders [caliphs] of the Ummah before end of times

The word Imam in the context I used it in is with regards to scholarship, So Imam e Ahle Sunnat means a person whose teachings one follows