Is this true?

[vroom]

Re: Is this true?

@ZeeshanParvez

Good brother. May Allah bless you. Now consider this, you know the Hadith about Istigathaa. It is possible that the first site I took it from - the Arabic - inflected it wrong! You know that the Hadith were recorded without vowels. If you download the Volume 10 of Al-Haythmi, you will see it is not inflected.

Considering how all Arabs understand it to mean a Nafi for prohibition, perhaps the website site inflected it wrong.

Are you confusing arabs for najdis? The hadiths I have presented earlier are from Arabs, the sahaba, and our Hadith collectors

Meaning istighatha was never prohibited, and this is the view of orthodox mainstream Muslims

Now getting to the point of Aqeedah. Aqeedah cannot be taken from weak Hadith! As a matter of fact according the school you and vroom follow, it cannot be taken from authentic hadith either if it is not mutawaatir or mashoor.

But first lets decided if this is an issue of Aqeedah. I mentioned this to vroom and he said this is not Aqeedah rather only an act Muslims perform. If you scroll back you will find his statement.

So, what do you say. Is this a matter of Aqeedah or not?

It is only a practice and not a matter of aqeedah among people who are of one aqeedah. Where as some forms and reasons for prohibition would mean a difference of aqeedah

@ZeeshanParvez

That is true. And despite what vroom thinks about me and my intentions, my original purpose with this thread was to truly understand if the accusations present in the book were true. Of course while he was explaining things he had a knack of being sarcastic and abusive in his responses - which I confirmed when I had a friend and several others read this thread - which put me on my guard.

This thread was an attempt to get back at me for what you saw as me labelling you as hypocrite or disbeliever. You stated this. Also you took offence at me pointing out that subjects such as istighatha and our Grave culture are beliefs of mainstream Muslims. Also you must have agreed with the protestant christian in what he said regarding the Muslims and specifically Imam Ahmad Raza Khan Imam e Ahle Sunnat

You called Imam Subki Rehmatullah Alaih as a ‘‘granddaddy’’ - which is indicative of what type of emotional state you are in with regards to the beliefs of mainstream Muslims.
Also indicative is your failure to accept Istighatha as an Islamic practice

This thread was not initiated by a genuine seeker of knowledge or clarification.

It would probably come as a surprise to him that I have actually prayed behind the Imams of the Brailley. Had I truly believed they were Mushriks, like said in the translated material I presented earlier on in the thread, I would not have been ignorant enough to pray behind them.

My attitude is not effected by your praying behind Barelvis, it is effected by what you write. What you wrote aimed or desired to put the fatwa of kufr and Shirk upon mainstream islam and its adherents such as imam Ahmad Raza Khan and Imam Subki, and others