Fun'da'mental rulz!!!!!
Anyone who listens to 'JE-sha-taan ' ( their versiion of jholey lal qalandar) will not even think otherwise :))
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Originally posted by Elmo with headphones:
** Fraudia, may I ask on what basis this statement was made? I'm not going to say anything specifically, but I will say I've come across Junaid more than once in the past many years. I'd be very interested to know exactly what you mean by 'extra curriculars' and post-concert activities.
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I know the organizers, sound engineers, back up band, etc etc etc that he has worked with in California. I am also friends with a number of performers in Pakistan. So the statement was made on the basis of the guys who drank with him :)
Needless to say, I like the lyrics and I like the band..point was that Ali Azmat's drinking is not something out of the ordinary rather it is part of the norm.
Fun-da-mental rocks...Uncle Sargam ja-ta-shaan is great but you hafta listen to this other song...i will call u with the name. its on the erotic terrorism cd.
btw, I am in touch with the guys and want to bring them here for a concert again. you think houston will be receptive? Chicago loved them. Aki was brilliant..and Mush and D were amazing.
u hafta listen to the song "Mera Mazab" and "new world order"
hmm interesting Fraudia. When we used to contract them through al-nasr gp in Dubai, he didn't seem in any untoward, leaving post-concert socials early to spend time with his wife, even on the road etc. Also in London, he didn't strike me at all as someone who would take to the bottle or anything. On the contary, seemed like one of the few who never could.
I dunno the time fame of these activities, but one would've thought once ppl 'find religion' they would refrain from such stuff. But then, who are we to judge.
I checked out fun-da-mental, pretty funky stuff! Do you remember Ali Haider's group attempt Akaash, they took off pretty well I think, are they still around?
Elmo,
I've had several personal interactions with both Junaid and Ali Haider......
I know that Ali drinks. I have not witnessed any of the allegations made against Junaid. But that's not to say that it doesn't happen.
As fars as the claims of wanting limos and five star hotels....I can't say that I've witnessed anything like that. Whenever I've seen him he has stayed at Holiday Inn type places and has not even had a luxury rental car to drive him around....just the promoters' own vehicles. Never have I witnessed what has been mentioned above.
Even when Ali is around he has a tough time drinking in front of me. The last show it so happened that I was the only one left to drive him in and his hesitation to have a drink in the lobby of the hotel was very, very apparent. He was rather embarassed when he mentioned that he wanted to make a pit stop before we started out.
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to hear this news
I can not be_leave
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no wonder how they perform in there concert.
MAY GOD BLESS THEM.
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Live From- Dayara-e-Ghair
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Originally posted by Muzna:
**Elmo,
I've had several personal interactions with both Junaid and Ali Haider......
As fars as the claims of wanting limos and five star hotels....I can't say that I've witnessed anything like that. Whenever I've seen him he has stayed at Holiday Inn type places and has not even had a luxury rental car to drive him around....just the promoters' own vehicles. Never have I witnessed what has been mentioned above.
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My sentiments exactly Muzna. Which is why I was quite taken aback by some of the things ppl mentioned about Junaid. As far as I've come across him in prev yrs, he's always seemed a humble, gentle person by nature and not only were 'post-concert acivities' something I never came across, but were something I never even imagined a person like him would be capable of. But like you said, it doesn't neccessitate or verify that it doesn't happen.
i cant believe this .... it cant be right
Ali Azmat cant drink noooo way
ok i believed when i heard waqar yonus drinks cuz he got that ticket but this cant be truee
Ms. Kohl (are you German, dear young lady?) Trust us Japanese. 1/3rd Japanese have a genetic problem that they can not consume alcohol. So go with Japanese male whenever you get chance. there is 1/3 chance that you will not be disaappointed and 2/3rd chance that you will be appointed somewhere.
I dont believe whats going on here! All of the singers mentioned above are adults and if they drink or not its there business.
I seriously got pissed off when somebody mentioned above that Junaid Jamshed drinks? Has that someone seen Junaid drink. Junaid is a family friend and I have know him since 87. If there is a last person to drink on this planet its going to be Junaid. Junaid is one of those people when he is abroad he represents himself like a true Pakistani, unlike many other singers. He is one of those guys which I am really proud of him being a Pakistani. Junoon on the other hand I dont know. I have known Salman Ahmed and I really respect him, but then again I dont know what tey do in the private life. If they do drink they will pay for there amaals. The thing is that they are excellent musicians and I am proud they come out of Pakistan!
If you talk about drinking. Ustad Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan was I think on the top of the list? But he promote it? no! HE kept it private and didnt let anyone know. Do you think he wont go to heaven because he drinks? What about all the duas he got for supporting many poor families in Faisalabad? Or what about all the people who loved him for producing such good music. Once again I am not saying that its okay to drink. I am saying its there amaals and they will pay for it. If they do drink, its not ones business.
Sorry, I didn't have time to read all postings (I read couple though).... I am only replying to the first one (kohals').
Well drinking is bad .... we all agree on this particular point, because of our culture, society, religion whatever name u want to give it ... u can. But then on the otherside .... this is a free world, one does what he/she wants to and they have the right to do it. We know what is right and what is wrong .... so if I am doing something wrong I should be held responsible for it. As far as his drinking is concerned thats his personal act, and it doesn't effect his performance as an artist/singer. So if u like his songs .... carry on liking them because u liked them when u were not aware of that he is an alchi (alkee/drinker). Many of us like English/American/European artists/singers ..... they all drink .... why do u like them if they drink???
I am not favouring drinking or telling everyone that they should start drinking after reading my post. Rather I would suggest not to drink. I used to drink myself, and I stopped drinking nearly two years ago now. But my point is that if u like him as singer ... then there is no point disliking a singer because he drinks, drinking is his personal deed/act.
One more thing Elmo with head whatever
Read muslims dont drink, ya thats true, they do something else. It reminded me of something, I was in uni few years back and I cooked Matar Qeema, my neighbour (guy living in next room) was a pakistnai ... and he came for the dinner and he joined me .... (before dinner he had sex with his Romanian GF) ... before starting dinner ... he asked me "Bhaeejaan yeh Qeema Halaal hay naa?", I didn't answer his question but rather asked a counter question (please dont curse me for that), I asked him "Kia tum bissmillah parhtay ho when u sleep with ur GF (a girl u are not married to)". He kept himself quiet after that (BTW, Qeema was halaal). Elmo, my point is no one is perfect in this world, everyone does mistake in his/her but it doesn't mean that u have to judge them from their mistakes. I suggest its better if u show them the right path rather than saying u are not a true muslim u do this or u do that.
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oh i feel even sicker noww..
najim....romanian!? anyhows, there's more to the above posts i feel sick of.
khair, life goes on. & so does of all those ppl's/celebrities. er, except for nfak -- may he rest in peace...
Ali,
I agree with you on the first point. We are talking about grown adults here who are entitled to do whatever they please with their lives.
The problem with the whole scenario is that these people become revered idols....teen idols....respected members of the community....diplomats representing our nation and our culture. Because of this dilemma they end up with additional responsibility. I'm not saying that it is fair...but it is reality.
Look at all the people that are disappointed in them because of the news they are reading. I have two nieces that are 8 and 11 years old....both thoroughly enjoy Ali Haider's music and both will be devestated when they find out that he drinks. That is because they are so caught up in the hype that they believe he can do no wrong. It is these young folks that we worry about.......and it is these young folks that the celebrities should worry about too. Unfortunately it's probably a catch 22. As a celebrity, no matter how hard they try, a private life is very, very evasive. Every move they make becomes public. Again, it's not fair but that's how the industry works.
Finally, you are also right...Nusrat Fateh Ali used to consume liquor yet he did so much good for people....Ahmed Faraz, poet, drinks almost constantly like many other famous poets of South Asia...many well-decorated military officials cannot have an evening without wine and/or hard liquor....most politicians also fall into this category. Unfortunately just because so many people do it doesn't make it okay.
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AliBeta you dont have to get upset if someone makes a comment about Junaid Jamshed.
Maybe he is not a drinker, maybe he drank only a few times. Many people experiment, and yeah I have heard that he has changed and matured a lot since around the time he got married.
If you notice previously, my point even regarding Ali Azmat was that so what if the guy drinks. He is an adult and makes his own choices..someone's drinking or not drinking does not affect my view of how I perceive them as an artist.
My point was only to illustrate that when we are talking about drinking, Ali Azmat is not an exception and therefore should be judged as a performer and an artist on his music and not what he does in his free time.
Interesting topic...i used to really dislike drinking in Pakistan; there was always so much stress involved, sitting in closed rooms with no windows and the people that drank were usually losers (with it being quite a some status symbol among middle class men). Far more relaxing to smoke a bit of cheras with Pathans on the Shandur pass...now they are nice memories.
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Originally posted by AliBeta:
*I seriously got pissed off when somebody mentioned above that Junaid Jamshed drinks? Has that someone seen Junaid drink. Junaid is a family friend and I have know him since 87. If there is a last person to drink on this planet its going to be Junaid. Junaid is one of those people when he is abroad he represents himself like a true Pakistani, unlike many other singers. He is one of those guys which I am really proud of him being a Pakistani. *
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AliBeta, your post, like muzna's, echoed exactly what I was trying to say, that knowing Junaid personally I was shocked to hear some allegations and assumptions ppl can make by hearing stories passed on by by others. Junaid's the last person I know, at least the last pakistani media one, who would do such things.
Najim, I was pretty amused at the misunderstanding conveyed through your post. Where did you get the idea I was 'passing judgement' on any specific person who does drink? :)
I agree with you completely, that we can and should not pass any judgement whatsoever on any person we come across, rather try to show them the right path.
Scroll up and see the previous 3/4 posts before I said 'muslims dont drink' (2pak, umair316 etc.). When I saw statements like "muslims dont drink" "no, a lot of arab muslims drink", to me it seemed that by repeating "muslims drink", an unfair picture was being painted and it was sounding unfair to the 'muslim' name. As if a muslim prays, abides by the rules of his faith,....and then drinks. The two words seemed to sound contadictory to each other to me. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
It is only God, and God alone, who can determine the validity of a person's actions and intentions. If you read my posts further: "Who are we to judge."
Elmo with head,
I got that idea from here, UR post,
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Elmo with headphones
Senior Member
Posts: 245 posted May 13, 2000 02:31 PM
The 'muslims' who drink are merely naam ke musalman. Real muslims don't drink. It's as simple as that.
If they do so out of their own freedom and/or preference, then that's their own choice. But by doing so, they've abandoned the teachings of their faith and cease to be a muslim by essence.
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I see,
and where have I mentioned anyone specifically? Najim, methinks you've misunderstood what I was trying to convey. Read my question again.
[This message has been edited by Elmo with headphones (edited May 22, 2000).]
Remove your headphone and then u will see what I am trying to mentino in ur message.
The 'muslims' who drink are merely naam ke musalman. Real muslims don't drink. It's as simple as that.
Thats a judgement ====> Real Muslims dont drink. this is not the way to convey.
No more comments, about it.
[This message has been edited by Najim (edited May 22, 2000).]
I was surprised about NFAK but that's more becoz of the TYPE of music he sang (isn't it strange? You praise Allah and His Habeeb sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam in yuor qawwalies...and u prepare for them by drinking!!!)
As for all the pop singers -- I guess it would be difficult to resist for these guys simply coz of the lifestyle they lead; it doesn't make it right of course, just we shouldn't be surprised...
BTW, the simple statement is Muslims SHOULDN'T drink. Whether a person who drinks can be a good Muslim I think is still possible and we shouldn't judge. Certainly if you have the right aqeedaH and you have imaan and you do something haraam that doesn't suddenly make you not a Muslim anymore...also, we should overlook the faults of our Muslim brethren and not expose them (especially when like me you have 100s of your own faults.)
:)
oh wow, i like what asif said..
or more as in Reminding us. :)