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No need to revise/discard Quranic Law but there is a definite need to revise/discard/update the UNDERSTANDING of people who seek to implement or dish out their own interpretation of this law.
I believe its a tragedy to have Hudood Laws in a country which was established on a fairly secular grounds, espescially when they are mutilated and mixed in with remnents of British Raj Judiciary. It opens gate for extensive misuse of law.
A prime example of this misuse has been seen time again in rape cases. Hudood Law is wrongly applied and the victim stands to be accused of adultry. For goodness case, if rape can't be proved/disproved, you CANNOT in any circumstances aaply the adultry laws to the same case. I'm probably not making much sense here but I hope you the outline.
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how can rape occur when always four men present at the secene?
and what the four men were doing instead of preventing rape to occur?
if rape not proved victim becomes guilty of adultery?
may be it is wrong interpretation?
[QUOTE] Originally posted by *Khairun Nisa: *
No need to revise/discard Quranic Law but there is a definite need to revise/discard/update the UNDERSTANDING of people who seek to implement or dish out their own interpretation of this law.
I believe its a tragedy to have Hudood Laws in a country which was established on a fairly secular grounds, espescially when they are mutilated and mixed in with remnents of British Raj Judiciary. It opens gate for extensive misuse of law.
A prime example of this misuse has been seen time again in rape cases. Hudood Law is wrongly applied and the victim stands to be accused of adultry. For goodness case, if rape can't be proved/disproved, you CANNOT in any circumstances aaply the adultry laws to the same case. I'm probably not making much sense here but I hope you the outline.
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Kahirun nisa
you have made good point many people misunderstand islamic law on many issues. And without doubt they need education on what it means this can only be solved fully when islamic state is functioning. I can see as an example the television being utilised in this capacity to inform and educate people on various apects of islamic law.
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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
Just to refresh, while as a muslim, I understand that Quran is God's words and hence we, as muslims have no authority or need to change any of its commandments, I am asking for your intelligent responses which explain, why as intelligent muslims and human beings you absolutely feel that all punishments prescribed in Quran are as relevant today as they were 1400 years ago. Formulate your answer as you would give it to a non-muslim and a non-believer.
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Faisal Bhai, I am often asked that question by non-Muslims and I always say its all about FAITH. Muslims have blind faith in Allah and the Quran.
Well I think we should use common sense. I read in a newspaper, not too long ago, at a fire in a saudi girls school that b/c the firefighters were men, 15 girls died, b/c i believe they were waiting for female rescuers to arrive. They wanted to avoid the whole male/female interaction thing. I agree with Irem that muslims have such a blind faith that they do not use logic many times.
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*Originally posted by ak47: *
i would have thought anyone who just contemplates for a few moments and thinks with all the corruption they currently live in with society in such disaray where you have to have around 15 locks on your door, always looking over your back and some even carrying weapons for protection.
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Talk generalizing about an entire society!
Sorry, AK, I only have ONE lock on each of my doors, and, normally don't even bother with them - even if I'm leaving town for a few days! And, I live in a fairly large city. If someone needs something bad enough to resort to stealing, then, let 'em have it! I can do without! Besides, they ultimatley have to answer to the Almighty - not me.
If I took your line of thinking, then all Muslims MUST be terrorists, right?
WRONG! Maybe it brings you some personal comfort to think that America is as you describe. But, you might want to reevaluate your social commentary when you get something vaguely resembling accurate information.....
History proves that LAWS in human beings are always proposed , architected and imposed by People who are either in Power or Rich or have some sort of influence over the constitutional comittie.. and ever any law has been passed ( with exceptions ) which is equal for all human beings (without any exceptions ) fair and just . These LawMakers always keep their own advantages and issues ahead while their idealogy might be targetting majority, But Majority is never on the righteous path..
Clearly it is evident that no Man Made LAw has ever done any good to Eliminate injustice, crime , poverty in this world. So why keep on insisting and still insanly claiming that man can comeup with sheer Excellence, while man is imperfect.
A single human being cant even be just and fair between two people with his own minute knowlege and intellegence ( apart from wisdom given to Humans from Allah ),then how could we think abt making LAws that could be fair enough for even 100 people..
I beleive All the knowledge, Wisdom, technology has been bestowed to me and all humans by Allah.
So instead of wasting time over something on which no single human being can agree and have single opinion, Lets just try to follow the divine LAW, without modifying it according to our NEEDS.
give it a try. It does worth it. but with sincerity and purity of heart.. Good luck..
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*Originally posted by punjab da sher: *
Well I think we should use common sense. I read in a newspaper, not too long ago, at a fire in a saudi girls school that b/c the firefighters were men, 15 girls died, b/c i believe they were waiting for female rescuers to arrive. They wanted to avoid the whole male/female interaction thing. I agree with Irem that muslims have such a blind faith that they do not use logic many times.
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you cannot use one example and say muslims dont use rationality!
Some muslims are clearly blind followers but you cannot proove by your one example that all muslim is like that!
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muslims have such a blind faith that they do not use logic
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If i said now that americans are so blind and have no logic because there was incident where 2 school kids go into there school and shoot there schoolfriends and teachers because they wore the wrong clothes or where not popular with them. Is that fair to use this example to label entire nation. ;)
jeez man are you so slow that you do not get what I am trying to say? Do you have to pick apart 3 words and twist it into something totally irrelevant to what I am saying?
I was using that example to illustrate my point, so incidents like this can be avoided in the future.