If he plays, gets a nick the keeper fumbles the catch, drops it on the stumps, the ball rebounds from the stumps and the keeper catches it on second attempt?
Yep, he's out!
Because the ball never touched the ground.
So stumps are not part of the ground?
Look at it this way; when it bounces off a player and you catch it, is it still out? I'd think so!
Anyone cares to correct or confirm my theory?
paindoo yaar u cud have called me and asked…
and havent i told u this before??? 
and did i mention, i dont think the situation is possible....
for a fast bowler, the keeper is far too away to even think about such a situation....
for a spinner too, after fumbling a catch and the ball striking the stumps the ball wont bounce back, it will just knock over the stumps and continue going away from the keeper....
even if it doesnt go far away, the keeper still isnt so close to the stumps that he might hold on to the ball cuz it got stuck to his body or something....
i dont even think its possible....
anyone with me????
Huzoor the situation did happen. You still did not answer would it be out.
But all that aside the question is perhaps are the stumps part of the ground?
The batsmen will be out.
who cares??? all that matters is what was the verdict in the so-called-happened situation...the umpires ruling is final...
the situation is simply impossible....
there is no way it can happen....
just imagone where the keeper's standing for a spinner's case and u'll know why its not possible....
btw have u ever looked behind the stumps and seen where the keeper stands or never bothered????
mughal....isnt the right question "have u ever seen stumps?"...
so paindoo boy, what was the verdict in ur situation?? btw, in the small "pinds", they have only galli-muhalla cricket, and i think it is possible there...
Stumps are not 'ground'.
Think of this scenario... a batsman gets a faint edge, the ball ricochets off the stumps (without dislodging the bails) and a fielder catches it. He would be given OUT CAUGHT.
So, answer to the appeal in your original post would be , OUT - caught behind.
Funguy
Thank you for your reply. That is what I was looking for. Wanted to know if the stumps are considered part of the ground.
armughal
I have no answer to your lack of imagination. As for standing behind the stumps yes I have. Even kept wickets and know some of the situations you come across when you keep wickets when you are not a regular keeper.
Knightofhearts
What ever the verdict in our case is not the issue in hand because is our case the Umpires are not qualified and conversant with all the rules of the game. So some times the umpires make wrong decision.
For example: Giving no ball to a delivery of a spinner which is above waist high.
So yes the umpired decision is final and was respected in that instance but wanted to know was it right or wrong according to the laws. That is why I asked the question.
As for your comment below
Could not quite comprehend the wisdom behind these words. Care to elaborate.
In the pinds there is no shortage of open spaces so they don’t have to play in galli mhalla? It’s usually the cities but what does the situation have to do with galli mohalla or a ground. I can’t understand how it would effect? So do the galli mohalla have an effect on the behavior of the ball or stump?
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*Originally posted by armughal: *
the situation is simply impossible....
there is no way it can happen....
just imagone where the keeper's standing for a spinner's case and u'll know why its not possible....
btw have u ever looked behind the stumps and seen where the keeper stands or never bothered????
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sir aapki sowi kahein stump ke peechay atak gai hai!!
if it has happened or say its possible then the player is definetely out.
As someone mentioned if the ball touched wicket but the bails didn't fall and a fielder catches it. Its out. No doubt about. Same goes with dropped catches in slips. We often see this that one fielder drops it an another or in some rare cases third fielder catches it. So anything but ground in the field is considered same.
Another scenario is Umpire. If someone plays a shot and it goes straight to leg umpire and if he couldn't manage to go out of balls way and it hits him, let say on his bent back and reflects to a close fielder who was running towards ball to catch, and if he catches, the batsman is out. THE BALL has not touched the GROUND yet.
Another scenario would be the halmet of the silly mid on fielder, if it hits it and bouce back in the air and say, bowler or keeper catches it. Its an out.
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Another scenario would be the** halmet of the silly mid on fielder**, if it hits it and bouce back in the air and say, bowler or keeper catches it. Its an out.
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Not True.
If the stirker hits the ball and it hits the helmet worn by a fielder, then the striker can not be out caught. The ball is still 'live' and they can score runs.
If the ball hits a helmet (not worn by a fielder or wk), then the ball becomes dead and 5 runs are awarded to the batting side.
If the striker hits either umpire or anywhere on the non-striker, then the ball is still catchable, like you stated.
Law 32.3.(e)
a fielder catches the ball after it has touched an umpire, another fielder or the other batsman. However, it is not a fair catch if the ball has touched a protective helmet worn by a fielder, although the ball remains in play.
so why didnt u say it before…if u were looking for the answer that funguy gave, u should have let us know, and we would all have given u the same answer…well, being part of GS, i feel it is one’s responsibility to make other members feel happy..
now, the point was that even in the case of a spinner where the keeper is close to the stumps, the ball cannot rebound back to him..if u cared to read laws of physics in school carefully, u would know that the ball will either rebound on the opposite side (if the keeper is standing on the right or left of the stumps) or move down on impact (if he was directly behind the stumps)…
and btw, when we are talking abt “open space” in pinds, dont we mean “khet khalyan”…and if i am not mistaken, u cant play cricket in sand…unless ofcourse, they have made pitches in between the farms..
What I was asking in the first place was, are stumps part of the ground. Which funguy cleared that out in his reply. Can’t help it that he got to the essence of the question.
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regardless of whether the stumps r a part of the filed or not, the question of such a situation, as u mentioned, arising still exists....
i cant imagine how such a thing cud happen....
and if something aint gonna happen why bother thinking about it....