Is Technology OK in Islam?

If our actions are judged hereafter and not Period. as yousay, what are all the Islamic punishments like whipping and beheading in public for?
As for fulfillment, you agree God created life for a purpose.
I agree with it. That is what I meant by fulfillment. You can believe fulfillment is serving your chosen God. I can believe in different ways of fulfilling my life, say serving Humans or making millions

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By the way, I don’t believe in absolute forgiveness.I believe you should pay for your mistakes in this life and after.

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*If our actions are judged hereafter and not Period. as yousay, what are all the Islamic punishments like whipping and beheading in public for? *
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They are punishments prescribed by shariah to act as deterents. They do not absolve the sinner of his sin.
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As for fulfillment, you agree God created life for a purpose.
I agree with it. That is what I meant by fulfillment. You can believe fulfillment is serving your chosen God. I can believe in different ways of fulfilling my life, say serving Humans or making millions.**
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How can serving humans or making millions be fullfilling. Don't people die? They leave the millions behind, so the fullfillment is temporary.

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By the way, I don't believe in absolute forgiveness.I believe you should pay for your mistakes in this life and after.
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Why not? If I do something against you, won't you forgive me absolutely if I repent and ask for your forgiveness. If not, isn't that cruelty? I would.


Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.

Well, to take an example. Let's take any of America's serial killers, or people like pol-pot or Idi-Amin.
If they truly repent and ask for fogiveness
and their victims say Go TO Hell equally sincerely, what then?
I am trying to point out there are degrees of sin here.

Great post Saif!!

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That was very well stated, especially that last paragraph.

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GHC

you know the meaning of "zabta hayat" and "waqt ka taqaza" ? wow. I know Pakistanis who would not kow what that meant.

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Originally posted by Andhra:
Well, to take an example. Let's take any of America's serial killers, or people like pol-pot or Idi-Amin.
If they truly repent and ask for fogiveness
and their victims say Go TO Hell equally sincerely, what then?
I am trying to point out there are degrees of sin here.

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I believe we are talking cross-purposes.

You are giving examples of murder and major atrocities, which are major crimes and have to be dealt with severely. Although Islam also has forgiveness for such crimes.

What I was refering to were minor incidents and comes under the category of huqooq al-nass.

But the point I made was, that in Islam there is punishment in the hereafter and not in the world as in Hinduism. Allah is all-forgiving, but will not forgive two categories of sins.

The degrees of sins is not clear, please explain in the context of my statements, where you differ.


Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.

Hi all
Speaking on the topic, I do not know what Islam speaks about technology. But, for advancement of science and technology, we need open mind and positive thinking.

In ancient India, every scientific thought was attributed to God and was not pursued with scientific zeal. Though India gave the world the decimal system, zero and "Pi" to the world, they couldnt stay in top of technology when compared to the western world, primarily because they stopped pursuing the scientific path. Every result was attributed to God and stopped, thinking that God's ideas should not be questioned.

Islam is currently in that state. That I believe is the main reason for the lack of scientific research in Islamic countries (esp. middle east and Arab). Notable scientific thought exists only in countries which have a strong eastern culture like malaysia, Indonesia, pakistan or in countries like Turkey which has a european tilt.

GHC

u said u liked saif's post. I was just wondering if you knew all the words and what they meant. since some of those words even some native urdu speakers would not know.

Factfinder, where I differ is the concept of absolute power of forgiveness.
Like you said yourself, Islam has forgiveness for major sins. So if Ariel Sharon who every body is castigating as murderer converts today, is he forgiven?
I think Hinduism has no institutions or theology to deal with such concepts because conversion is not part of the Agenda.

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Factfinder, where I differ is the concept of absolute power of forgiveness.
Like you said yourself, Islam has forgiveness for major sins.

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I did not say that Islam has forgiveness for major sins. I have said that Allah will forgive, if the person repents and asks for forgiveness, except two types of sins.
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So if Ariel Sharon who every body is castigating as murderer converts today, is he forgiven?**
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He is forgiven by Allah if he is sincere about his repentence and seeking forgiveness.

But there are also hudood laws. The person whose blood relative has been killed can claim compensation and refuse to forgive. Then he is in a situation where he will be either punished in this world, or has to pay qasas to get forgiveness from the person.

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I think Hinduism has no institutions or theology to deal with such concepts because conversion is not part of the Agenda.**
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Conversion will not save a person from sins such as murder. It will, however, save him from shirk as he has confirmed that Allah had no partners. Thus, you could be saves by sincerely pronouncing tawheed, but Sharon will not be pardoned unless he pays for all the murders on Earth first.


Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.

Thus, you could be saves by sincerely pronouncing tawheed, but S***** will not be pardoned unless he pays for all the murders on Earth first.<<
So can any such person be considered a Muslim, i.e. equal to any other Muslims in the World even before he pays for his sins?
Are other Muslims considered equal to him?

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So can any such person be considered a Muslim, i.e. equal to any other Muslims in the World even before he pays for his sins?
Are other Muslims considered equal to him?**
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look to the quote by changes_like listed below:

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Originally posted by Changez_like:
**Andhra, in many of your posts on this thread you asked if a Muslim can do this, can do that, etc.

Let me try to make it clear. ANYONE who says and beleives in:
"oneness of GOD, angels, books sent by GOD, HIS messengers, day of judgement."
is MUSLIM (submitter to GOD)"**

A muslim can do any sin he wishes to, it reduces his level of beleif, it does not outcast him from Islam. As long as one beleives in above statement to be true, he is considered Muslim.

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So are you saying a convicted criminal or murderer who converted to Islam is equal in every way to a devout practicing Muslim in the eyes of God?
Is it the Mullahs that say this or does the Koran explicitly say this?

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Originally posted by Andhra:
So are you saying a convicted criminal or murderer who converted to Islam is equal in every way to a devout practicing Muslim in the eyes of God?
Is it the Mullahs that say this or does the Koran explicitly say this?

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Yes as Changez_like has mentioned, a Muslim is a Muslim. What he has done in the past does not affect his value in the eyes of God. If he is performing his obligations, he is as good as the person who has not sinned. Period.

The sins he will have to pay for is another story. It is possible that because of his devotion and fear of God, he may be forgiven.

This is why, if a person sins, he is asked to keep it secret so that it is between him and Allah. If he repents and fears Allah, he may be forgiven without any punishment. It is very simple.

I shall just ignore your last remark as it is irrelevant and may be out of lack of knowledge.


Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.