cool down How could the answer be YES for a TV channel in a Muslim country?
TV gives moving images prohibited in Islam right?
I mean I am not making this stuff up you know. You can’t display photographs in Taliban Govt. I understans Women in Saudi Arabia don’t have an ID card but a ‘Family’ ID
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Originally posted by Andhra:
*cool down How could the answer be YES for a TV channel in a Muslim country?
TV gives moving images prohibited in Islam right?
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give a verse from koran that says moving images prohibited.
Changez_Like why don't you give me the verse in Koran.
According to you Movies, paintings, dramas are forbidden in Islam.
cooldown can you refer to the previous posts where Changez_Like informed us about this prohibition?
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Originally posted by Andhra:
**Civilization is much more than point of Origin you know.
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yes I know
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Originally posted by Andhra:
Changez_Like why don't you give me the verse in Koran.
According to you Movies, paintings, dramas are forbidden in Islam.
cooldown can you refer to the previous posts where Changez_Like informed us about this prohibition?
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Andhra you started a thread and you don't have knowledge about it. (not fair)
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Anyway for your information Indus Valley civilization spread beyond the valley, crossed Vindhyas etc.,
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thanks but I am very well aware where the civilization was started and how and where it spread. (in Pakistan and surroundings)
cooldown I hope you are not claiming Indus Valley Civilization is Pakistani!!
Anyway India is the only place it survives.
'Pakistan and it's surroundings' is a little disputable.
You see there are thoeries that Aryan invasions drove the people further south.
It's possible. Especially the concept of Shiva is very ancient in South India.
Andhra, in many of your posts on this thread you asked if a Muslim can do this, can do that, etc.
Let me try to make it clear. ANYONE who says and beleives in:
"oneness of GOD, angels, books sent by GOD, HIS messengers, day of judgement."
is MUSLIM (submitter to GOD)"
A muslim can do any sin he wishes to, it reduces his level of beleif, it does not outcast him from Islam. As long as one beleives in above statement to be true, he is considered Muslim.
May Allah SWT guide us all towards right and help us follow the right
Changez_Like, that doesn't happen in Islamic countires though right?
They seem to spend a lot of time what is Islamic and not(Like TV, Photos etc.,) or who is not a Muslim(Like Ahmedis,Shias etc.,)
Please don't come up with the argument that what such people say or do is irrelevant.
By your own argument, since they accept one GOd and Prophet(Both Shias and Sunnis do don't they?), they aare Muslims!!
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Originally posted by Andhra:
Anyway India is the only place it survives.
'Pakistan and it's surroundings' is a little disputable.
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I posted a map(in image gallery) that shows the ranges of Indus Valley.(check "Indus Valley civilization" by "cool down" in image gallery)
Andhra this is a religion corner if you want to talk about Indus Valley then post a new topic in "Society, culture and literature". (I will prove what I said)
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Originally posted by cool down:
** Andhra you started a thread and you don't have knowledge about it. (not fair)
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Unfortunately, the reason Andhra posts messages on this forum is not to acquire knowledge. He just wants to stir up trouble.
Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.
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Originally posted by Andhra:
Changez_Like, that doesn't happen in Islamic countires though right?
They seem to spend a lot of time what is Islamic and not(Like TV, Photos etc.,) or who is not a Muslim(Like Ahmedis,Shias etc.,)
Please don't come up with the argument that what such people say or do is irrelevant.
By your own argument, since they accept one GOd and Prophet(Both Shias and Sunnis do don't they?), they aare Muslims!!
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This post totally confirms my previous post which I wrote on the basis of a questions raised by one of the brothers.
Andhra, I believe I have said this earlier and shall repeat for your benefit this may be your only chance to save yourself from the eternal fire. You are on this site so take advantage and don't waste this opportunity. You may not get it again.
Peace.
Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.
Andhra, I believe I have said this earlier and shall repeat for your benefit this may be your only chance to save yourself from the eternal fire. You are on this site so take advantage and don't waste this opportunity. You may not get it again.<<
Thank You so much FactFinder. But I have no intention of changing my Religion.
By the way, you are wrong my motivation is neither stirring up trouble nor 'acquire' religious knowledge.
Religion is mostly about belief.
cooldown wanted me to quote the part of Koran that prohibits images. I could have comeup with it, at least the religious commentary.
And as to the Fires of Hell, Shiva will protect me no doubt!!
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Originally posted by Andhra:
Thank You so much FactFinder. But I have no intention of changing my Religion.
By the way, you are wrong my motivation is neither stirring up trouble nor 'acquire' religious knowledge.
Religion is mostly about belief.
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Choice is yours, the offer was sincere and for your benefit.
If your motivation is not stirring up trouble or acquire knowledge, then what is it. I am sure you are not here to waste time.
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And as to the Fires of Hell, Shiva will protect me no doubt!!**
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Are you so sure he will? Where do you get the guarantee from?
Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.
FactFinder, I am here exchanging info and satisfying my curiosity like other people. I am not as religious as you seem to be.
Are you so sure he will? Where do you get the guarantee from?<<
Where do YOU get your guarantee from?
AS I said religion is about believes.
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FactFinder, I am here exchanging info and satisfying my curiosity like other people. I am not as religious as you seem to be.
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The slant of your posts do not smell of curiosity. They are more directed and bent on creating doubts. Anyway, have you heard that 'curiosity killed the cat'.
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Where do YOU get your guarantee from? AS I said religion is about believes.**
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I have no guarantees. I am striving for a better place. I do not know whether I will or not, but I have my Faith and Trust in the Almighty Allah.
I do not do shirk, Alhumdo Lillah. I try to follow the shariah as much as I can. I am human, though, and the target of the Devil as he wants to take me off the track. But so far I am safe from his intrigues.
Can you confirm these for yourself? If not, aren't you exposing yourself? What if Islam is the True Path? Will Ishwar be able to save you after you do shirk?
Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.
? Will Ishwar be able to save you after you do shirk?<<
By shirk I take it you mean doing something wrong, a sin etc.,
The question Iswar being 'able' to do anything is irelevant don't you think? After all he is God !!
Still the answer is NO. Nobody will be able to escape his sins. You have to pay up in this life or the next.
Yes God may forgive you your sins or allow to survive your sins for his own purposes.
One point of view is that he waits for you to change your ways, repent essentially he gives you enough rope to hang yourself!!
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Originally posted by Andhra:
>>? Will Ishwar be able to save you after you do shirk?<<
By shirk I take it you mean doing something wrong, a sin etc.,
The question Iswar being 'able' to do anything is irelevant don't you think? After all he is God !!
Still the answer is NO. Nobody will be able to escape his sins. You have to pay up in this life or the next.
Yes God may forgive you your sins or allow to survive your sins for his own purposes.
One point of view is that he waits for you to change your ways, repent essentially he gives you enough rope to hang yourself!!
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Shirk is not sin per se. It is the only sin that Allah will not forgive.
It is the act of taking partners with Him. He is One and has no independent assistants who can be approached for any favours. There are two types major and minor. Major shirk is willfull. Minor is the one where a person (unintentionally) asks other entities for favours and believes they can help. For example, your boss at the office. He should be kept satisfied with your performance, but you should always strive to keep Allah happy. If Allah is happy there is no way your boss can prevent you getting your benefits. But, if Allah is not, there is no way your boss can keep benefitting you for an extended period.
We cannot be punished for our sins in this world, as this world is simply a transit camp. We come here to go on to the hereafter. It is there we will pay or be compensated for what we have done in this world. Your attitude to life in this world is that it is all that there is, but if that be the case, why did the Creator create?
Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.
We cannot be punished for our sins in this world, as this world is simply a transit camp. We come here to go on to the hereafter. It is there we will pay or be compensated for what we have done in this world. <<
Are you sure? You are openly saying 'We can't be punished for our sins in this world.
I don't know Islam theology that well, from what I have seen, I think getting punished here and now for the sins you committed is acceptable in Islam.
From what I havbe seen Islam also tells you God is all forgiving(Only if you follow his way, nbut many Muslims and Muslimm countries seem to ignore that little detail)Your attitude to life in this world is that it is all that there is, but if that be the case, why did the Creator create?<<
To fulfill your life here ofcourse. Let me turn the argument around and ask. If this life on Earth is so insignificant, why did creator bother creating the Earth at all.
Why didn't he just create the paradise?
What was the creator trying to do?
Now I am not an atheist. I do believe in God and believe the possibility of after life.
But reject the notion that life here on Earth is insignificant or sinful(Christianity seems to stress a lot on sinfulness of Humans by the way)
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Originally posted by Andhra:
Are you sure? You are openly saying 'We can't be punished for our sins in this world.
I don't know Islam theology that well, from what I have seen, I think getting punished here and now for the sins you committed is acceptable in Islam.
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This is what happens when you make assumptions on half-baked knowledge. In Islam, the result for our acts will be in the Hereafter. Period. In some cases, not as a rule, people are punished in this world. But that does not change the rule, unlike in Hinduism where the punishment is presumed to be in this world as a rule.
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From what I havbe seen Islam also tells you God is all forgiving(Only if you follow his way, nbut many Muslims and Muslimm countries seem to ignore that little detail)**
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The statement is incomplete so it is not clear. But, Allah is definitely all forgiving. That does not mean that he will forgive everyone. He has said that He will not forgive two things. Shirk (taking partners with Him) and a deed where a human hurts another and that person has not pardoned him.
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To fulfill your life here ofcourse.**
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Sorry I do not understand what that means. A life for what purpose?
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Let me turn the argument around and ask. If this life on Earth is so insignificant, why did creator bother creating the Earth at all.**
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Where did you get this conclusion from? This life is not insignificant. It has a purpose. The Creator created the angels, jinns and humans to serve Him. Their programming is different, but the purpose is the same. Humans were destned to com to this Earth as all revealed religions confirm. Why is a question only He can answer; and asking such questions is what takes people astray and brings distortions to religion.
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Why didn't he just create the paradise?
What was the creator trying to do?
Now I am not an atheist. I do believe in God and believe the possibility of after life.
But reject the notion that life here on Earth is insignificant or sinful(Christianity seems to stress a lot on sinfulness of Humans by the way)**
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Christianity has been diverted to answer questions and suit the general demand. To justify the crucification of Jesus, they had to develop the theories of sin. Islam is the opposite. It tell us that every child is born sinless. It tells us that Allah forgives, provided we repent and ask for forgiveness.
Peace
Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.