Is Taleban really Islamic?

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Assalam Alaikum

Here’s something I got from www.khilafah.com :

I think we can all agree that there has been no real Islamic State on this earth for
some time now. Then recently came states like Iran, Sudan and now Afghanistan
claiming to be Islamic State(s). So how do we judge?
Firstly, since the principle is that no Islamic State was existing beforehand, it is up
to those who claim to have re-established it to prove it to us by, among other
things:-

  1. They must abolish the preceding kufr constitution and clearly announce &
    publish a purely Islamic constitution for immediate implementation in the entire
    region under their control. This means that any so-called Islamic State must have
    adopted the economic system, political system, social system, punishment system,
    education system and foreign policy system they plan to implement solely and
    comprehensively from the Islamic sources i.e. Qur’an and Sunnah.
    Right now, to prove their case the Taliban must be propagating that constitution
    to the entire Ummah so that we can believe them in their claims.
    THEY HAVE NOT DONE SO–WHY NOT?
  2. They must clearly withdraw from all kufr institutions such as the United Nations,
    International Monetary Fund, World Bank etc. Right now, the Taliban by their own
    admission (see their website at www.ummah.net/taliban)) have an ambassador to
    the UN. WHY WOULD AN ISLAMIC STATE REMAIN IN THIS INSTITUTION WHICH
    SUBMITS TO US DOMINATION AND IS BASED UPON RESPECT AND LEGITEMACY OF
    NATIONAL BORDERS WHICH ISLAM CAME TO DESTROY?
  3. The Islamic State must withdraw from so-called Islamic institutions which
    legitemise the division of the Ummah into separate nation-states such as the
    Organisation of Islamic Conference (OIC). They should be calling for one Islamic
    State, theirs, which all Muslims must recognise, support and become part of not
    join the OIC which is based upon dividing the Ummah and mulitiple nation states.
    Far from doing so, the Taliban sent an observer delegation to the last OIC
    conference in Pakistan and sought to be recognised–by the kufr regimes ruling
    Muslims–as the legitemate government of Afghanistan! Why would an Islamic
    government ask kufr regimes in Muslim world to recognise it!
    At the same time, the Taliban have ambassadors in Pakistan and UAE. By sending
    ambassadors they recognise the sovereignty to these kufr regimes over part of
    the Muslim Ummah, SOMETHING WHICH THE ISLAMIC STATE CAN NEVER DO!!!
  4. The Ummah would have to be convinced that the so-called Khalifah qualifies for
    the job and meets the Islamic conditions. HAS ANYONE, APART FROM THOSE WHO
    HAVE ALREADY “RECOGNISED” THE TALIBAN REGIME, CONFIRMED THIS?
  5. The Islamic State must call on the entire Ummah to recognise their regime as
    the sole legitemate government over the entire Muslim world. HAVE THE TALIBAN
    DONE SO? WHY NOT?
    It is clear from just these PRELIMINARY observations that the Taliban are far from
    qualifying as a truly Islamic State, the Khilafah.
    And their claims are a hindrance to those who are sincerely working to re-establish
    the Khilafah, have prepared the Islamic Constitution for the task and know what
    they are talking about by Allah’s mercy!
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No.

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Nope.

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Did you notice one queer thing? The arguments in the starting post against Taliban not being Islamic are almost as reactionary and ultra-conservative as the Taliban itself!

According to the author, no one can be "islamic"ally inclined and support any "kufr" organizations like the UN, IMF, World Bank, etc.

Another point raised is that Islam has come "to destroy national boundaries". Hence, there should no OIC, which is not "islamic".

Are these the real reasons why Taliban are not Islamic? What about the tremendous repression of basic freedom of the Afghan population? What about fighting Jehads with ones own countrymen to gain control over the whole of the country? How about threats and oaths to kill 1000 american civilians for every "muslim" (terrorist) killed? Islamic?

In my opinion, the first post has been a glaring example of how following religious scrptures to a ridiculous degree prevents objective thinking and blinds one towards the real issues.

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NO, real islam is what is in quran and hadith only that anything else is not islam. No matter how holy person you are you cant add things to islam or make it the way you want it!!!

Jaawan

Till next time*K_I_S_S*

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Taliban is brain dead. Soon USA will be forced it to pull the plug and let it die.

[This message has been edited by Reagan (edited August 04, 1999).]

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Reagon dont forget what happened to russians when they pulled the pluged remember read some history!!!

Jaawan

Till next time*K_I_S_S*

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Jawaan,

You forget that USA provided them with unlimited arms. Just that the dirty work was done by muslims for USA(old story repeated again and again). The good thing is that it keeps our arms industry running :).

Pakistan was supported (AID, ARMS, ETC) by USA for a long time. It is slowly falling apart bcoz USA has decided that Pakistan da mullah land does not deserve that special treatment.

USA da best!

[This message has been edited by Reagan (edited August 05, 1999).]

[This message has been edited by Reagan (edited August 05, 1999).]

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Mr. Reagen you are such an outrage.
Lets see how long USA can dominate the world.
Remember pride hath a fall.

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queer,

The fact is that if Muslims joined the U.N. or OIC or took loans from the IMF etc then Islam would would be compromised.

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Ushahid,

USA gave you arms to defend against India. If it wasn't for USA, your --- would have been run over by Indian armed forces in 71. For almost 45 years you guys allied with a Kafir nation (as you guys call it). Now suddenly you guys are all upset with U.S policies ???

The status quo of Pakistan and its poor image is the making of the Pakistani people and its past govts.

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Guys, I am moving it to Politics, look there for continuation.