Is Sufism A Deviation and Parallel Religion?

Assalam-o-Allaikum everyone;

During my 7 years research and analysis of Quran, i have come to conclude that the present form of sufism and mystical schools is a sort of deviation. However before making it a firm conlucsion, i would like to discuss that what you people personally think about it?

My concerns are as follow:

  1. Can a peer/guide take a role as a subsitute of Almighty Allah?

  2. Obeying peer means obeying Allah?

  3. What is the need of a peer for guidance in the presence of divine book?

  4. Mystical dreams and encounters are indicator of one’s piety and rightiousness? (Quran sets some other standards to measure piety).

Best Wishes

Re: Is Sufism A Deviation and Parallel Religion?

There was a time when i had come to same conclusion as you have but although i appreciate that you raise some valid points, i don't think its a parallel religion.

Will talk to you later about it.

Re: Is Sufism A Deviation and Parallel Religion?

  1. Can a peer/guide take a role as a subsitute of Almighty Allah?
    HELL NO!!!!

  2. Obeying peer means obeying Allah?
    HELL NO!!! But a person can show some one how he obeys.

  3. What is the need of a peer for guidance in the presence of divine book?
    Not every one can precieve things at their own. Quran s much more then a religious code book. A learned person can help

  4. Mystical dreams and encounters are indicator of one's piety and rightiousness? (Quran sets some other standards to measure piety).

HELL NO!!! A pig like my self have true dreams a ll the time.

Re: Is Sufism A Deviation and Parallel Religion?

sufism is a natural reaction to the excessiveness of muslim ruling classes and materialism that had permeated the muslim society after pious caliphate

so even though sufism cud be seen as a deviation , its more accurately a reacitionary movement against materialism in muslims

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salaam brothers and sisters.
i have been currently living in Pakistan for about 3 years.
i was first introduced into this Sufi thing from my dad's older bro.

now as i see i have noticed that they(Sufi) try to blend in both sect of religions ie. sunnism and shiaism.

i am totaly against it as these phir calm to be "waliy "ali" or waliy "allah""
meaning friend of ali or friend of allah... this has to be a joke
most of them do not pray the obligatory namaz and other obligatory acts that the prophet of islam has mentioned...so how can they be considered friend with them...but the really sad part is that poeple belive in them.

also i have seen a lot of people getting high and wasted with drugs. where in islam does it say that we have to celebrate's ones death by smoking up and drums...

i personaly am against this

Re: Is Sufism A Deviation and Parallel Religion?

Sufism is about perfecting the noble character and serving humanity, any peer/shaykh who teaches otherwise is fake. There are true Aulia and its a blessing to be in their company.

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PM you said it all. i agree.

sufism is a way to puryify ur heart and submit all of urself to the Almighty Allah. mustafe110 u been intoduced to sum oposite form of sufism. if you guys ever read jallaudin rumi( the greatest sufi) , u guys will realize the purity of sufism and a whole dif n better perspective of world. and no they r not subtitutes for Allah swt naozobillah, but just someone who has knowledge spreading to others. I was once really into sufism and well...cut out from the world at dat time but had to come bak to the materialistic world :( but I regularly attend sufi meetings. it fills up my soul and helps me realize what I am in this world nd infront of Allah. and I feel close to Allah. :) I think I wtote too much. just dnt make unrealistic non reasearched guesses about sufism ppl.

Well,

What i have been observing and seeing is that people truly deviate when they start following a particular sufi school of thought. For example there is a new found school of mysticism namely the silsila-e-azemia. Although they pretend to be very sincere and islamic but most of their practices and rituals are not really very islamic.

Many of my close relatives are in this school and they have told that the most important worship, according to Mr. Shamsudin Azeemi, is meditation. this is so important that it even surpases the importance of Salah. Also, several kinds of meditations are propagated which attract people of all sort and especially girls because they claim to provide a meditation which brings the heavenly beauty in a girl.

Second this is their constant elevation of spiritual powers which are considered by them to be the fundamental purpose of life. They claim that the purpose of human being on this earth is to activate spiritual powers and use them for the benefit of mankind. However, without a proper noursihment of naffs and character, it si virtually impossible that such powers would be used for any benefit of mankind.

Further this claim itself is completely in contradiction to Quran. Quran dislikes seclusion and orders to spend life being a human among human beings. ANy kind of sorcery or magical powers are not the purpose of life.

According to ALmighty, the purpose of life is to serve God and live our life by keeping ourselves within the laws of nature & God. Prophet never taught anyone such powers and never instructed in a single saying to acquire such powers. All stress is given to the proper noursihment of moral character and to be obedient to ALmighty. If, in any case, there are any powers, Almighty himself choses and gives them to the chosen for a set purpose and for a certain time period. This is called karamat or maujzah (Miracle).

To conclude, present day sufism is misguiding the masses and taking us away from the real teachings of Quran and recongnized Sunnah.

For every muslim, the first duty and very basic purpose of establishing salah five times a day should be to read and understand Quran more and more. As much we would understand Quran, as much we would come to know about the guidance of God in relation to all matters of life, including Sufism.

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Silsila Azeemia is not based on traditional tariqa.

any pir who contradicts shariah is not a sufi

:wsalam:

The_(not)_Omniscient (It’s a good job you have made a typo by leaving out the ‘n’ in your name).

I would have trouble calling you by one of the Names of Allah (SWT) and we should be hyp enough to realise that it is not adab to choose for ourselves such titles.

It is good that you have spent 7 years researching the Qur’an, but I fail to realise how by researching the Qur’an you can become an expert on matters regarding groups and affiliations.

And if it is the Qur’an you excel at, then there are a few questions I can ask may be for another time so I can seek to benefit from your knowledge.

The question that stands out beyond the others is the idea that the presence of a Divine Book is a standard by which we should not follow shuyukh. This baffles me as the Qur’an was taught to us by Muhammad (SAW) through an unbroken chain of teachers to our present day scholars. The Words truly belong to Allah (SWT) but the medium is the human tongues, ears, and hearts.
Our Book is not like the tablet given to Musa (AS) which was a complete written form fully disclosed. Ours is an oral and aural Book delivered through people.

To your thread question the answer is ‘yes’ sufism is not Islam … However to assert that Islam is any way void of spirituality and ascetic even gnostic activity then you are mistaken. Many hadith references demonstrate this and what may surprise you is that the Qur’an supports the essential basis for tassuwwuf which is dzikr.

Now the question can be put to you so you can demonstrate what reality you are presenting here on this thread. And that is if your studies on the Qur’an have revealed to you that sufism is a deviation what say is your conclusion of the 'aqeedah and the fiqh. What does the Qur’an say about these?

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Dear Psyah;

It was an intentional typo.

You can simply call me Abdullah, for your convenience.

I appreciate your kind response and interest in my thread. I would try my best to answer any of your questions according to the guidance and knowledge of Divine Book.

Please note i do not excel on Quran yet, as it is virtually impossible. However, i am still an active student of Quran.

"The question that stands out beyond the others is the idea that the presence of a Divine Book is a standard by which we should not follow shuyukh. This baffles me as the Qur'an was taught to us by Muhammad (SAW) through an unbroken chain of teachers to our present day scholars........"

Dear fellow, in my question i actually meant that what is the requirement of a "peer" to understand holy book. TO further clarify, int his thread all i am asking and discussing is about present day sufism. According to my experience, which is limited till Pakistan, a typical peer is a person who mostly does not possess any good knowledge of Divine Book. More surprisingly, many of these peers have not read Quran in their own language and thus all what they do is only an Arabic recitation, without understanding. This is a very unsuitable way to truly understand Quran. So how can such a person who himself does not know anything abt Quran will be able to teach others abt it?

I am specifically talking abt Quran, not the common moral and religious teachings which almost everyone already knows. Like offering prayers, giving charity, be good and resist evil. These all are common teachings which all of us know already, but i am talking about those subjects regarding which a special guidance is required.

Quran claims to be a detailed book, which in fact it is. The requirement of Quran is to seek "further knowledge" from the experts of knowledge. This command of Quran requires us that we can not do self study for everything, rather after having a basic knowledge we should seek scholars and experts of knowledge with whom we can discuss our questions and misconceptions. However, speaking generally, a peer does not qualify the criteria to be considered as an expert of Quranic knowledge, unless he really understands the Quran and have a firm command over its important subject (i know, a complete command is impossible).

"what may surprise you is that the Qur'an supports the essential basis for tassuwwuf which is dzikr. "

Well, this and other similar verses are pretty much researched by me. Especially there is a verse that heavens and earth are busy in praising and remembering God (Ziker). So, before i proceed to let you know abt my understanding of such verses, i would like to know that what is Ziker according to Quran?

Just so you know, i do not say that Islam is in void from spirituality, but what i assert is that the spirituality and mysticism which is associated with Islam "now-a-dayz" is not at all what Quran advocates.

"what say is your conclusion of the 'aqeedah and the fiqh. What does the Qur'an say about these?"

Well, as for Belief / faith its very clear, my belief is as it is as described in the last verses of Chapter Al-Baqrah. As for Fiqh, no i do not accept any particular fiqh/imam at all.

Best Wishes