Exactly.
We can't mix with hindus as their culture and our culture and religion is opposite. Mixiing with them means make ourselves gunahgaar.
I dont care what a religious text tells you, but till the time you feel that associating with someone who is not from your religion makes you "gunahgaar", you cannot get people to respect you.
Do you think that south asian unity or desi unity between Pakistanis and non-muslim indians is ever possible?
I have noticed that the problem with pakistanis living in USA and Canada is that they think of the hindus and sikhs as their south asian desi siblings. They want to be buddy buddy with the hindus and that disgusts me.
Yes, it's definitely possible. Your second paragraph is evidence of that. All throughout school and even during work I've been around non-Muslim Indians without having any problems with anyone.
Who has seen and know that understand very well but some ppl are so blind about reality.
Islam doesn't teach us to disrespect Kaafirs.
We are forbidden from adopting Kafir (Rejector i.e. Non-Muslim) religious practices and leaving our own religious practices to please them but that doesn't mean we should not respect them as fellow humanbeings.
They might not be our brethren in Faith but they are in Humanity, we are all the children of Baba Adam and Amma Eve.
Once our Prophet (S) was sat with his disciples and a funeral procession passed them, the Prophet (S) stood up out of respect, his disciples said "O Allah's Apostle! This is the funeral procession of a Jew" to which the Prophet (S) replied "Is it not a living being (soul)?", this is the best of mankind, the leader and high-priest of all of God's Prophets and Messengers (A), the jewel in the crown of creation standing up in respect of a Kafir, then who the hell are you and me to think it below us to respect the Kuffaar (Rejectors, Non-Muslims)???
Our Prophet Muhammed (S) the White Cloud of Mercy was even merciful to the Kafir youth who stoned him tills his shoes were overflowing with his blood, he even tended to the sick old woman who during her healthy days would throw garbage on him daily.
When the early Muslims embraced Islam the Prophet (S) didn't tell them to severe ties with their relatives, instead he ordered them to fulfill their duties to their Kafir parents and obey them except when they command disobedience to Islam.
Islam allows us to marry women from the Ahl Al-Kitab (People of the Scripture) who are Kafir (Non-Muslim), a Muslim husband is even required by his religion to allow them freedom of religion, if Islam required us to be snooty towards the Kuffaar would it allow a relation as intimate as that of a wife and mother to be Kaafir (non-Muslim)?
The Prophet (S) said "he who hurts a dhimmi (non-Muslim citizen of Muslimland) hurts me", so when you hurt a Non-Muslim living in a Muslim country you are hurting your own Prophet Muhammed (S).
The Holy Koran teaches us "what goes round comes round" by forbidding us from cursing the false deities of non-Muslims because in turn they will curse our Deity God/Allah.
Islam requires us to respect Kafirs as fellow humanbeings and deal justly and kindly with them if they do not fight Muslims or Islam.
The only thing Islam forbids is to take Kafirs as 'Awliya over Allah, The Prophet (S) and the Muslims for example in the context of war (e.g. a Muslim in the Indian Army bombing Kashmir) or a Muslim spying on the Muslim goverment for outsiders or a Muslim funding Non-Muslim missionaries against Islam, or a Muslim abandoning and trashing an Islamic practice because his non-Muslim friend doesn't like it (e.g. prayer or beard).
Some misguided people preach a horrible ideology in the name of Islam, they twist out of context Islamic texts, they are actually agents disguised behind masks of piety who want to destroy Islam.
Islam is a very beautiful and balanced religion.
CM................of course its a pipe dream...for those who dont want it!
Heera, yahan bhi puhunch gaye? Your answers only make sense to you, thats it.
Kioon yahan aap kay pushton nain tala lagay huwa hai with the poster Heeray ka dakhla manoon hai?
Ya aap kay baba ji ka khareeda huwa khait hai jis main sirf aap hi aik ma MOOLI reh sakteen hain?
Agar meray answers aap ki samajh say bala tar hai to is main mera koi qusoor thori hai aapki samajh ka hai. Main bhala kia kar sakta hoon.
Waisay aap ko takleef kia hai meray answer karnay say. Agar aap disagree karteen hain meri post say to aap apni disagreement post kar sakteen hain I don't mind. Laikin is terha kahna budtamizi hai meray hisaab say aap kay hisaab say shayad achcha ho as we belong to totally opposite country and opposite nature and soach.
You approve gay relationship I don't
You give mashwaray about gf/bf I don't
You are Liberal and very religious person I say I'm not religious enough but try not to do big and small gunah kay kaam.
You born and brought in USA AND I was in Pakistan which is a huge different in soach and amal.
Aap apni awaz post karteen hai jo kai larkay suntay hain jo mana hai islam main agar main larki hoti to kabhi naheen karti.
You use your eyes picture main larki hoti to kabhi naheen karti.
What esle tell me.
Do you cover yourself like Islamic code naheen na so there is a big difference between you and me.
I think that is enough. Chill out munni. meri dum kay peechay na paro faida naheen. lol Na hi rescue dogs use karo. Thanks.
Urdu tuk to ati naheen tum ko dhang say apni qaumi zuban aur daway karti hoon Pakistani aur muhibbe watan Pakistani honay ki.
Kuffar ki zuban seekh kar bohat apnay aap ko genius samajhti ho. lol Inferiority comples ka shikar loag doosron ki zuban seekh kar khud ko bara qabil samajhtay hain Ghulam soch kay mailik. lol
Kabhi Pakistan ka jhanda daikha ya lahraya hai? Naheen na main lahraya hai lo. Thats a difference between you and me. lol
Islam doesn't teach us to disrespect Kaafirs.
Islam is a very beautiful and balanced religion.
Giving me a long lecture on the things I didn't say. LOL Thanks any way I didn't read that.
I think I know what Islam says. Yes I do respect Kaffir but I don't make kaffirs my friend......kapeesh lol that's what quran says.
PPl who give preference to kuffar for friendship are not good at al according to quran.
Ahamaq hain wo loag jo kafiron kay rung main rangtay hain aur us say dosti kartay hain aur musalmanon kay bajaay shadi aur dosti karnay main unko fauqiat detay hain.
Kafir kufr ki taraf lay jata hai aur muslim kuch achcha na bhi karay to kum uz kum aap ko kafir bananay ki poori koshish naheen karay ga.
You want to mingle with them to make jungle ka mungle ka sama then go I'm not stopping you.
Un kay saath naach gana karo, sirkon pay nungay dauro aur laito. sharab piyo, khulay aam zana karo mera kia jata hai.
Yay kuffar apnay mazhab pay to rehtay naheen to tumhain kia rehnay dain gay.
Sikh kay saath dosti karo ja kay gurdawaon main unkay saath sajday karo Allah bohat khush ho ga aap say.
Un kay mazhabi kaam naach ganon main shareek ho dosti barhao tumhara shaitan bhi khush ho ga aur Allah bhi.
TO SUM THIS UP:
Saanp ko kitna bhi doodh pila lo dasay ga hi.
Bichchoo dunk maray ga hi.
You think aap ki dosti say saanp dasna chor dayga then you are too fool.
Dosti kay naam pay Pakistan ko kia mil raha hai wahiyaat through the cable.
Now you tell me what you will get good from kuffar and hindu's pooja karna seekho gay lol.
It is a shame that some pakistanis want to be friendly and cordial with the hindus while the hindus are killing muslims in gujarat, kashmir and other places
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its a shame that some pakistanis want to be friendly and cordial with the muslims while the muslims are killing muslims in punjab, sindh and other places
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all people are not the same
all hindus are not killing muslims
and all are not in support of it
why stereotype? why miss out on teh chance of makign frinds from another culture another daith, learning from them and dharing what you know? its at ppl level that understanding is built.
to queer's point, if we are going to use the point about killings then we have to apply the same logic to muslims killing muslims..lets not be pals with iranians and iraqis cuz that was some bad war, dump the afghanis because after teh soviet war they went after one another.
I will say once again, if unity between pakistanis and non-muslim indians was possible or realistic then there was no need for partition in 1947?? If muslims and hindus of the sub-continent are basically the same people then there is no reason for pakistan to exist. The self-hating pakistanis like PSquared need to read about the two-nation theory
And hate is a strong word so i wouldn't say i hate indians. I would use the word "contempt" instead of hate, and yes i have contempt for hindus. Didn't the prophet Muhammad (SAW) contempt idol worshipppers of Makkah??
france and england fought many wars, germany ran all over france..yet now you have european union, open borders, and common currency except for some holdouts.
in 1947 things were different, and maybe things have not imroved to a point that we can have lasting peace, open borders and an economic trade union type of scenario, but if it can happen in Europe it can happen in other places. We have similar examples in far east and in latin america as well. countries that had fought wars or had/have order disputes trying to work together.
maybe the time is not now, reading what I read from many pakistanis and indians, i def dont think the time is now, but the time will only come if we try to move beyond the wounds of the past and learn to know each other, stop the pissing contests that we see, and end irrespionsible behavior that serves ro further inflame the feelings on both sides.
Lets not compare these 2 countries with Pak-Indo…
Things are pretty much same now!
This will never happen until the hatred is taken out from indians/indian gov/politican/RAW etc etc
This wont be possible between pak nd india. Up until Kashmir issue is solved nothing will improve. India doesnt want to leave kashmir, they dont want kashmir to get independence either…Pak is the same, our ppl gave up their lives for our country nd for kashmir. So i know pak wont let go of Kahsmir and rightly so ! Becuse Kashmir is ours and kashmiri ppl would rather be with us than with Indians…
This wil never happen, fanatics on both sides wont let it happen! Not to forget ISI nd RAW…cough cough Enough Said!
I would say both side solve the kashmir issue and leave each other alone…but than again its not possible!
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so its not possible currently due to government's hanky panky on both sides.
can change not happen? or are pakistanis and Indians content with their ruling classes continuing to write the agenda?
it happened in other parts of the world, what prevents it from happenign here? because we refuse to change, or bring about change, and for some even if that cange is as minor is reaching out and being friends with people from the other country and faith.
PS: the selective point about "This will never happen until the hatred is taken out from indians/indian gov/politican/RAW etc etc" is the same thing indians say about pakistanis/pak gov/politicians/ISI etc etc.
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so its not possible currently due to government's hanky panky on both sides.
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Not only gov but ppl too....
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can change not happen? or are pakistanis and Indians content with their ruling classes continuing to write the agenda?
it happened in other parts of the world, what prevents it from happenign here? because we refuse to change, or bring about change, and for some even if that cange is as minor is reaching out and being friends with people from the other country and faith.
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AS i said before we cannot compare other countries with pak-india. You know it, i know it and everyone else knw it. Change WILL not come up untill Kashmir issue is solved (which it wont be anytime soon).
And 2ndly ppl on both sides needs to be changed, take the hatred out! But again i dont think its possible.....not any time soon,
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PS: the selective point about "This will never happen until the hatred is taken out from indians/indian gov/politican/RAW etc etc" is the same thing indians say about pakistanis/pak gov/politicians/ISI etc etc.
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Yes i agree with ou here.....
PS: Indians hate pakistanis more than pakistanis hate indians, and this is a fact!
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ahhh so it is possible...there are things that need to happen to increase the possibility. Thats all I said. it is not impossible, it is possible, maybe not now, but does that mean we dont strive to make that possible?
what I disagreed with was the assertion fo some ppl that Pakistanis and Indian can not and should not be friends.
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ahhh so it is possible...there are things that need to happen to increase the possibility. Thats all I said. it is not impossible, it is possible, maybe not now, but does that mean we dont strive to make that possible?
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Nothing is impossible!.... But the way things are going it will take a hell of a lot time, maybe decades...who knows!
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what I disagreed with was the assertion fo some ppl that Pakistanis and Indian can not and should not be friends
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"fanatics on both sides wont let it happen" is what i said. I never said pakistanis nd indians should nt nd must not be friends!
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it will take time ..but not just time, time and effort, and effort is upto each of us as well.
I know you did not say should not be freinds, others did.
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“it will take time ..but not just time, time and effort, and effort is upto each of us as well” Agreed 
its a shame that some pakistanis want to be friendly and cordial with the muslims while the muslims are killing muslims in punjab, sindh and other places
Great point.
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Deep in there, it's a religious fight. Believe it or nor. It's your choice!
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The unity is certainly possible. Jinnah never imagined the two countries as ‘enemies’. He never sold his house in Bombay! He wanted to frequent it.
The unfortunate events during the partition is what started the animosity which persists till today.