why is that there are 10 diff ways of doing the same ritual?
i can understand human differences, but cannot see why a single religious practice will be shaped into multifaceted performances rather than fulfilling of a religious obligation, such as offering a prayer?
chime and relieve my distrust and disappointment, if anyone can.
dushi
Re: Is our religion being made into a syncretic affair?
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Re: Is our religion being made into a syncretic affair?
syncretic means, the combination of different forms of belief or practice.
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Baji, syncretic ka matlab tu main dictionary main dekh liya tha, magar, aap key sawaal ki samjh nahin aye,
do mean why there are so many different ways of praying or r u asking why prayer has so many different components like Qiyaam, Rukoo3, sajda etc.
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in general iconoclast.
anything from when to break fast, which moon to follow for eid, one seen in Saudi-arabia, or the one seen in Pakistan or the one somewhere else, a particular way of saying prayers, the ayats to be read in it, the times to follow prayers if kaza etc.
i wish there was just one way, for practicality as well for a symbolic unity.
baji
do mean why there are so many different ways of praying or r u asking why prayer has so many different components like Qiyaam, Rukoo3, sajda etc.
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Answering from Mulla point of view:
Each aspect of an individual Ibadah, satisfies a different spiritual need, like Qiyaam, Ruku Sajda, fasting, Hajj etc, each being unique and fullfilling in its own way.
As to why there are so many different ways of doing the same thing, as the Islam spread very fast in a very short span of time, the rituals were not copied exactly across the people and different practices were set. Later peopel became stubborn in following their own way.
Answering from personal point of view; i dunno
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anything from when to break fast, which moon to follow for eid, one seen in Saudi-arabia, or the one seen in Pakistan or the one somewhere else, a particular way of saying prayers, the ayats to be read in it, the times to follow prayers if kaza etc.
i wish there was just one way, for practicality as well for a symbolic unity.
baji
In my humble opinion, amoung the desert dwelling people who's staple foods were dates and goat meat, they did not feel the need for a calender that defined and predicted exactly the crop planting and sowing season, hence the lunar calender suited them just fine, but the lunar cycle as you all know is 29.53 Earth days. So the lunar months alternate between 29 and 30 days. Hence the practice of positive visual authentication for the start of the Lunar Month.
The symbolic Unity that all Muslims agree on is the Holy Kaaba as direction for our prayers. Even though the Kaaba is located in one spot on Earth, determining the true direction from other places can become a reason for disunity, and it is lack of geographical knowledge that causes that. In this day and age of GPS this problem does go away if we are willing to accept that.
The prayer times and how to make kazaa and the rest of details come to us from Ahadith where it is better to follow the interpretations of the Five Imams Four Sunni Imams and one Shia.
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Thats not True. Quran brough us guidance and Prophet (p.b.u.h) explained it by doing it practically. Now on many different times Prophet (p.b.u.h) performed the Ibadah in a different way. For example some time he prayed by closing hands under bally button and sometimes at chest. Sometimes he did not close at all. So different Iaema took different ways. and their follower are acting on what Iaema suggested that this is the best way to do it.
Now talking about difference, This is the beauty of religon to give you flexibility to follow. Imagine if there was only one way of reciting Quran then how people from different place would have manage it. I am talking about laymens not the learned people.
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Everything is perfect and i will do as my Lord ALLAH swt has commanded (which includes following our beloved prophet pbuh). I guess people like this will also argue if one set of prayers were given to us. There is no pleasing some people. My diagnosis of them is arrogance. For those of you whom wish to find out something that you do not understand clearly please visit this site: http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ln=eng . The answers are given by someone who will provide relevant proofs and an explanation Insha’ALLAH.
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Shrugs....these differences are so minor...only those who care about them are antsy enough to make life miserable for those of us who don't...all under the rhetoric of doing things "right"...
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i think all of your perspectives are correct and lead to the idea of a simple religion ot be followed without kabahatein or self-made complexities.
thanks for sharing your views on this, very eloquent & well reasoned.
dushi
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cuz there's only one right and many wrongs.. the minute you have fifteen different ways of doing things, you'll know in your heart that isn't right.
Currently EVERYTHING Muslims do is incorrect down to the very basics. They've distorted the religion that came to them beyond recognition and made it into a cult, with emphasis on rituals, dates, seasons, locations etc. which is why the more cultures you include into it, the more varied the practices get.
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i can understand human differences, but cannot see why a single religious practice will be shaped into multifaceted performances rather than fulfilling of a religious obligation, such as offering a prayer?
chime and relieve my distrust and disappointment, if anyone can.
dushi
it's because people (ignorant people at that) want to make up their own practices. If people would just stick to the Quran and Sunnah then we wouldnt have this problem.
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Dushi,
In addition to the above replies, I have something more to add. This issue is multipronged. The anti-Islam forces like it that way. There are so many things being done so many moves being made which usually go unnoticed by common simple people, intended to create differences and confusion. The most important concept is "secularism" which accpte all deviant practices since they do not affect the collective life ( what secularism is all about ).. Second, unless and untill we have a centalized government among Muslims (caliphet) this cannot be resolved.
Once again, I think eduacted people among Muslims have much more responsibility to start spreading knowledge about these issues. Doesn't matter what we wanna do, the first step is education.......
In my personal opinion, incorrect interpretations of Quran and Hadith create differences. Both of these pillars are used in a wrong way to create differences.
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I want to disagree with you a bit.
There is a difference between "different" and "Flexible". Something that is flexible isn't necessarily "different"....
About Reading Quran, Bhai, the tone could be different, the rythum could be different but the real meanings of Arabic Language can be lost by a incorrect recitation and pronounciation....
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definitely not your religion is syncretic, i dont know about its people...
All abrahamic religions are not syncretic. Everything is clearly defined. I wonder about one thing, why do you guys have so many threads on religion forum when everything is very very very very clearly defined in your faith. why not just put one main poster above everything else and ask every muslim to follow it?...strictly telling everyone to pray 5 times, worship one god, no image, one life, day of judgement , zakah, no interest, no materialism and may be some more, what else is there to discuss?. make a list of do's and don't s and just put it. why even discuss?
and A person will only feel like asking questions when he has something contradicting!. why even allow those thoughts to arise in the first place?
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what a misleading comment!!!
the simple reason is that Islam is not as strict as we now have made it to be…
u see so many different ways of praying (also note that the difference is only in some small matters and not in the overall method of praying) is that there was no strictness on any one method…
ppl adopted any method at their convenience, but later followers of the imams made a big issue out of small things…
ever heard the story of lilliput and the breaking of the egg and different ends???
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Your response was not for me. But still i would like to respond to you.
the simple reason is that Islam is not as strict as we now have made it to be.... u see so many different ways of praying (also note that the difference is only in some small matters and not in the overall method of praying) is that there was no strictness on any one method....
I am listening this for the first time. can you elaborate?..
..what all methods?
i haven't. please explain
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You didn't get it.. but that's perfectly fine.
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the simple reason is that Islam is not as strict as we now have made it to be....u see so many different ways of praying
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I'm not talking of minitua.. the whole concept of Islam as practiced today has been distorted. It's an entirely different religion today than the one it was supposed to be at the time of it's revelation.
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i haven't. please explain
Since Mr Mughal is busy, I can explain. there is this Satire on Human Nature called Gulliver's Travels, a man is shipwrecked on an Island where the people are very tiny, only one finger length tall, and Guiliver is a Giant, to get to the point these tiny folks have enemies also tiny folks across the Water they are at war with each other, their only beaf with each other is that one poeple break their eggs on the pointed side of the egg and the other folks break their eggs on the more rounded side of the egg, hence an all out War is declared.
It is interesting reading, was written by Jonathan Swift at the time as a Satire on Catholic and Protestant differences sometime in the 1700's.