Is Occult Recognized in Islam?

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Ibrahim says Did I not tell you to find out what sruti means? <<
Ibrahim, 'Sruti' means 'Heard'. And that's about all it means.
Religiously it is given the respectful meaning of 'Heard From Respectable Sources'!!
If you are trying to proove that 'Sruti' is actually Allah's word, forget it!!

So tell us who made the speculations and why hindus ended up believing in them to this minute, if they were just mere speculations. <<

Who made the speculations? Well, the sages made the speculations. Like 'Nasadiya' who composed the hymn of creation!!
I don't see what the big deal is about 'Hindus' 'believing' in these 'speculations' as you put it.
In fact all Hindus are welcome NOT to believe in them OR believe in them!!
Doesn't matter. Doesn't make any one a lesser Hindu!!
You seem to spend a lot of time and energy on this. Please remember HInduism is a differnet kettle of Fish and your kind of thinking(One GOD, Prophet/s, GOd's revealed WOrds etc.,) doesn't apply to Hinduism.

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"The
tawaf should be begun at the Black Stone, so that the first part of
one's body is in front of the first part of the Black Stone. Then the
pilgrim begins moving with the Black Stone on his left, ending the
last circumambulation exactly in line with the point where he
commenced his first, thus ensuring that the seven rounds are
completed without advancing or falling behind a single step or more.

so ibrahim i find similar practise in
hinduism so isee some connection.
in no other religen circambulation done.
i see some similarities not all

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It seems Ibrahim has focused up close and stepped back to see more of the picture. I don't buy everything he states, but does pose some interesting points. Religious comparison is an incredible thing to behold. I can appreciate that it takes much learning and thinking to get to the starting line.

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Ibrahim, 'Sruti' means 'Heard'. And that's about all it means. Religiously it is given the respectful meaning of 'Heard From Respectable Sources'!! If you are trying to proove that 'Sruti' is actually Allah's word, forget it!!
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Ibrahim says: Andhra dear, why do you hindus always end up mocking yourselves all the time?

As I said before, hindus can turn anything into nothing by spinning on it, it is the only talent Hindus hold an absolute birth right to in my opinion.

Now, Read this and learn for your own sake ** (info from hindu web site)**

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In Vedic Culture the available body of knowledge ** comes from the revealed scriptures.** The scriptures are mainly of two categories:- Shruti and Smriti. ** Shruti refers to the four Vedas and they were originally received by Brahma from the Supreme Lord Krishna. ** The Smritis are the literature compiled by self realised sages based on their realisations of the Shruti. ** Shruti is composed in Vedic Sanskrit and Smritis in laukika Sanskrit.** There are some basic differences between these two types of Sanskrit. In Vedic Sanskrit the words have accent, akin to notes in music, and a word's meaning can change drastically simply by changing the accent of its letters.** Therefore these words have to be heard properly from the guru in disciplic succession and hence Vedas are called shruti (lit. hearing). ** Nobody has the authority to change even a single syllable of the Shruti. They are passed on from one millennium to another. Sometimes some parts of Shrutis get lost due to break in disciplic succession. They are again heard in trance by great sage called Rsis. Rsi means a seer or one who sees the Vedic texts. He hears it in trance and realises its meaning. The Vedic Sanskrit has its own grammar and it is used only in the Vedas. No new book can be composed in Vedic Sanskrit.**

Smritis on the other hand are written in luakika Sanskrit or Sanskrit spoken by people. It does not have accent in its words. Itihasas, Puranas, agamas are all part of smritis. ** Among the smriti literature there is also a body of literature which is also called smriti such as Manu Smriti. These smritis are part of dharmasastra or books giving religious code. Smriti sastras are compiled remembering the meaning of the Shruti and hence the name smriti ( lit. remembrance).** The Smritis change from millennium to millennium in their structure. But the essence is same.
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Who made the speculations? Well, the sages made the speculations. Like 'Nasadiya' who composed the hymn of creation!! I don't see what the big deal is about 'Hindus' 'believing' in these 'speculations' as you put it.
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Ibrahim says LOL! Read above and get help, you need it. But do not worry too much , the sants and sadhu’s have found plenty of room in the streets of India.

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In fact all Hindus are welcome NOT to believe in them OR believe in them!!
Doesn't matter. Doesn't make any one a lesser Hindu!!
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Ibrahim says : that is because ordinary Hindus who act according to their whims and fancies** will be burned in this world too ** and the Hindu saints who worship God the ONLY Brahman will be buried , I hope you understand why!

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You seem to spend a lot of time and energy on this. Please remember HInduism is a differnet kettle of Fish and your kind of thinking(One GOD, Prophet/s, GOd's revealed WOrds etc.,) doesn't apply to Hinduism.
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Ibrahim says: you seem to make a mockery of yourself a lot, talking about a religion which your ancestors practiced with ardent favor so much so a Brahmin today will not allow anyone into their kitchen who is not a Brahmin, which you have no idea accept that you believe you are Brahmin without knowing what a Brahmin is supposed to know. That is pitiful, but my pity will not help you in anyway.

Go learn your religion before mocking it and end up being mocked.

Regards
Ibrahim

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rvikz wrote : so ibrahim i find similar practise in hinduism so isee some connection. in no other religen circambulation done.i see some similarities not all
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Ibrahim says: rvikz my dear , you seem not to be able to answer simple questions but keep ranting and raving, is there something you are in need of?

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ibrahim there is no requirement for any individual to declare i believe 100%
in one religen. it not nationality based on citizenship. there is no "passport" as declaring one's religen identity. afterall
it is a set of beliefs .

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Ibrahim, thank you for the giving the exact definition of 'shruti' and 'smrtiti'.
You have to understand the whole concept arose out of venerating the spoken word and the belief that writing down a spoken word will lessen it's power.
That's why Vedas are memorized from generation to generation.
However all this is rather arcane.
May be you are right. However you have to understand Hindus practice differently.
You are free to choose your path and teachings in Hinduism. You have to remember that.
So Smritis and Shrutis are not binding on any Hindu, like Koran and Bible are for Muslims and Christians.
Yes, there is a rich heritage in Smritis and Srutis. Few HIndus seem to follow it.
This in essence seems to be the fundamental problem here. You are quoting authentic Hindu scriptures and being a follower of a monotheistic religion, you seem to feel that they make valid arguments.
Since you seem to know much about it, what do you think of 'Charvakas', an atheistic tradition of Hinduism, who rejected the notion of GOd?
Or how about 'Dwaita' and 'Advaita', which came much later?
Which one of is a Hindu to follow?
The answer of course is whichever a Hindu chooses!!
It is esssentially an evolving religion.
Yes, I agree with you it is a growing tree and it doesn't always grow in right directions!!

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answer for original question according to islamic law.

A Muslim becomes an apostate if he or she "enters a church, worships an idol, or learns and practices magic..."

so occult is not recognized in islam.