1) NZ and Pak have same number of points after the league matches.
2) Pak had beaten NZ
3) NZ had only beaten small teams
4) Due to one big margin loss against WI, Pak had lower NRR than NZ.
5) Due to NRR, NZ is through to the semis.
I think NRR system has done to Pakistan the same what Duckworth lewis did to SA in 1992 semifinals.
I dont know about soccer but in all American games the decision to move to next round is based on H2H. i.e. which team has defeated whom. If Pak had defeated NZ how in the world NZ is entitled to move to Semis? It just doesnt make any sense.
Pak was certainly a better team than NZ and they proved by defeating them. Its loud n clear. Also, basing things on H2H will discourage teams like India who display the max level of unsportsmanship and purposely lose to keep a better team away from semis.
Just like Duckworth Lewis was changed after 1992, its time for ICC to drop NRR system and stick to H2H.
If you have a understanding of Cricket, what do you think about it?
All the teams agreed to this NRR before the matches started. If anyone had any reaervations then, they should have comw forward and made a case for H2H as decider. No onedis and wr are at thia point where Pak suffered. Buts its too late now. Did we deserveto go to semis, you bet we did based on the sheer performance ine the last 4 games and beating 3 top rankes teams
in older times only RR was considered. Later they started considering NRR which is the difference between NRr for minus NRR against. Which is fair enough
In our first match not only we didn’t scored big RR of Only 2.14 . While windies scored in 14 overs RR 7.7 so NRR is -5.56.
tjis rule applicable for all teams. Badluck that this time pk is on recieving end.
In my opinion H2H shud have more weightage than NRR
Head to head outs too much emphasis on ONE game. In a tournament where all teams play all other teams equal number of times, if two teams have same points tally, NRR seems to be the statistically fairest path.
Our esteemed colleague mostart, in comment number 5 stated H2H should have greater weightage. Would he care to explain to the aam aadmi and the rare aam aurat how he plans to reconcile the mixing of units between NRR and H2H?
Array bhai sahab, I know you are Moonstar201. It was a joke - few weeks back you name was misspelled by another aam aadmi here so I was having fun with it. No offense intended.
But isnt one game deciding the fate of a team either way?
Had Pak not lost to WI, they would be through. One game.
Had India not lost to England, Pak would still be through. One game?
Let me show you another example. If it rains on India v/s NZ semifinal day as well as the alternate day. What do you think should decide who progresses to the finals. A toss? No, it should be who defeated whom in the league matches among the two. Get it?
I seriously wish that Pakistan also paid attention to Football / soccer (for 'muricans) as that sport is much more democratic with multiple blocs instead of what has transpired in cricket.
In Cricket, you have the major money maker india that has bangladesh, sri lanka and afghanistan tag along with its policies. Kiwis are beholden to the Aussies. There is only South Africa left which can probably caucus with England. You only have West Indies and Zimbabwe (which didn't even feature in this WC) so Pakistan's options are limited. If it affects the big three then you sure will see changes in this system.
I think Imran Khan said it best that him and gavaskar had finally brought neutrality to umpiring in the early nineties but India negated all of it the moment that they got a little bit of power.
No I’m sure you didnt get it. I understand you are trying to say H2H is considering one game only but NRR is considering all games and thats why NRR is better. And thats where I think its terrible. Go back to the scenario I presented in initial post.
NZ and Pak both same points, both tied in wins,loses & draw. One team makes progress. That should be the team which was better among these two in mutual encounter.
Now go back to the scenario I posted in my last post. When there is rain or anything in a knockout match, how will you decide? It should be again who defeated whom in the league match. Its that simple and straightforward.
And I can guarantee that at some point ICC will make H2H their choice but only when either Australia or India would be the victims as Pakistan was here.
It can be decided based on which team won more matches against other qualifiers. Look at this world cup Pakistan won against england and NZ them self while NZ didnt win against any other team which qualified.They lost to England and australia , They had abandoned match against India. This helped them.
I read your comment carefully. Re ? When there is rain or anything in a knockout match, how will you decide? It should be again who defeated whom in the league match. Its that simple and straightforward.? Again, if for some reason India NZ match does not get completed, India goes forward because India has more points in qualifying round. And remember, NRR is tie breaker if two teams are tied in points. So if India and no were to be tied in points, the team with better NRR would advance.
No but any changes to it won’t happen if india doesn’t want it.
My post was about the broader point of how India and then Aus/Eng control everything in cricket since a diminishing number of countries play this sport.
