A Leopard never changes his spots. NS has no regard for the country, he has a higher regard for his (hypothetical) "moonchh" and is gunning for revenge from Mush . Not many people are too bothered about the judiciary at this stage, we want a functioning government. NS did not allow the PPP govt to function in early 90s (as CM Punjab) and he is trying the same this time round by following populist short term slogans. He will allow the economy to freefall and then try to go for 66% majority in the next elections. Once he has that, he will be Amir-ul-momineen, COAS, CJ and president !!
A Leopard never changes his spots. NS has no regard for the country, he has a higher regard for his (hypothetical) "moonchh" and is gunning for revenge from Mush .** Not many people are too bothered about the judiciary at this stage,** we want a functioning government. NS did not allow the PPP govt to function in early 90s (as CM Punjab) and he is trying the same this time round by following populist short term slogans. He will allow the economy to freefall and then try to go for 66% majority in the next elections. Once he has that, he will be Amir-ul-momineen, COAS, CJ and president !!
You might want to compare what you just said to the other thread, which is an accurate survey on what percentage of people want the judiciary back.
Btw, a functioning govt means getting the self imposed dictator out, for starters.
Re: Is Nawaz Sharif a changed man?
NS changed or not, he is still better than Mush, as somebody said, the worst democracy is better than best MUSHARAF.
A man is known by the company he keeps and leader is recognized by the advisers he have.
NS or any other leader can be our choice, given the fact that, there are no more Zardaries, Chaudharies, Sh, Rasheeds and Mushahid Hussain to runing or advicing the govt.
We should know who were the adviser of NS then and who are his advisers now? if they are same, or if they are now faces with same old crook-character then NS is not changed, but if NS have got some smart adviseros who can advise/run the govt. then yes he is changed man.
A man is known by the company he keeps and leader is recognized by the advisers he have.
NS or any other leader can be our choice, given the fact that, there are no more Zardaries, Chaudharies, Sh, Rasheeds and Mushahid Hussain to runing or advicing the govt.
Well! You said it yourself. These Chaudhries, Sheikh Rasheed and Mushahid Hussains were the cronies of Shareef Bros once.
Re: Is Nawaz Sharif a changed man?
oh yeah with hair transplant n all dat botox...he definitely is a changed man..buh dat iq of a 5 yr old n corrupt nature iz anotha story!
i don't think he is a changed man, i think he is same old arseH
no one in Pakistani politics changes, they go away for a while and then come back unless they were killed or have run away in exile
no one in Pakistani politics changes, they go away for a while and then come back unless they were killed or have run away in exile
Not really true, the big dictators of the past never came back, and I doubt Musharraf will ever came back. Dictators dont have what it takes to bounce back like political leaders.
Not really true, the big dictators of the past never came back, and I doubt Musharraf will ever came back. Dictators dont have what it takes to bounce back like political leaders.
I was referring to politicians and not military dictators.
Military dictators dont come back because their base of support i.e. the military has a new hero by then. case in point is ayub and yahya deal.
I was referring to politicians and not military dictators.
Military dictators dont come back because their base of support i.e. the military has a new hero by then. case in point is ayub and yahya deal.
But politicians become meaningless if almost half of the time of the country's existence has been under the clutches of military dictators. Benazir, NS, whom we blame all our troubles on, ruled Pakistan for just one decade COMBINED, which is almost what one dictator alone here enjoys, though Musharraf is hell bent on setting new records.
Re: Is Nawaz Sharif a changed man?
no disagreement with that, but I look for responsible behavior on part of any leader in our history going back to 60s and dont find any.
btw one decade i.e. one 6th of the country's lifetime is not a small number. but things were not all hunky dory in their era.
If Musharraf leaves or is impeached, u will not hear from him again, because his real base of power will be gone, and parties like PMLQ and MQM will start supporting whoever the new person they need to align with.
I am not exonerating the military but if half the time Pakistan was under civilian rule, then how did they behave. I dont think they behaved in a responsible manner either. two wrongs dont make a right, and the point of lesser evil becomes a topic mired in ethnic, sectarian fog.
we dont need the lesser of two evils, we need a good solution and as long as we will keep giving the military or the fuedals a free pass pointing the finger at the other one sayign that oh atleast they are better than this one, we are not going to get anywhere.
its time that the nation demands that military stay put and that the politicians deliver on their promises and act like tools of the people who sent them to assemblies to begin with.
Btw, a functioning govt means getting the self imposed dictator out, for starters.
Spock bhaijan. Is this the self imposed dictator from whom the coalition government took oath of office? If the government wants to get rid of a President that is allegedly illegal, why go through the 'Impeachment' process and give the process and holder of the office of President (the Great President Musharaf), legal cover. Your 'dictator' tag towards Great President Musharaf is no longer valid. :)
But politicians become meaningless if almost half of the time of the country's existence has been under the clutches of military dictators.
Spock bhaijan. Does your definition of 'dictators' only go as far as the military, or do you include the political parties that talk about democracy but fail at the first hurdle of democratic process in the way their parties are run. Spock bhaijan, time to call a spade a spade, rather than rhetoric for the sake of rhetoric. :)
Spock bhaijan. Does your definition of 'dictators' only go as far as the military, or do you include the political parties that talk about democracy but fail at the first hurdle of democratic process in the way their parties are run. Spock bhaijan, time to call a spade a spade, rather than rhetoric for the sake of rhetoric. :)
Nope, because they were elected leaders, unlike jahil senile incompetent generals who forget they sign this:
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"I, do solemnly swear that I will bear true faith and allegiance to Pakistan and uphold the constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan which embodies the will of the people, that I will not engage myself in any political activities whatsoever and that I will honestly and faithfully serve Pakistan in the Pakistan Army (or Navy or Air Force) as required by and under the law."**
Spock bhaijan. Is this the self imposed dictator from whom the coalition government took oath of office? If the government wants to get rid of a President that is allegedly illegal, why go through the 'Impeachment' process and give the process and holder of the office of President (the Great President Musharaf), legal cover. Your 'dictator' tag towards Great President Musharaf is no longer valid. :)
Do you think I care who they take oaths from? If that matters, why are they impeaching him? Whats important is the peoples mandate, and the people of Pakistan hate this dictator, and thats the bottom line.