You decide. I think there is a clear violation of the law where he has a bent elbow. SOme people think that this bent is present throughout his delivery stride…so it has to be a natural flaw. If the bending of the arm stays the same throughout the course of delivery, then it is OK.
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a short answer No!!!!
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a short answer No!!!!
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and what is your logic or Jahan-Panah ne farma diya to farma diya.
Isn't it just a genetic abnormality in his bowling arm that gave him the illusion of “throwing” ?
The dodo standing on the right side, ogling at the bend elbow should decide. I think ICC's report concluded that EVERY bowler straightens the arm to some extent. So its then just a matter of the degree of straightening. Murli may be bending more than some.
He is a spinner. My question is, even if you throw a watta... can you bowl the kind of balls he bowls or the number of wickets he has taken. For fast bowlers, I understand that watta gives them an advantage. How is this an advantage for spinners?
...agreed Faisal bhai
and his "doosra" is already banned...
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He is a spinner. My question is, even if you throw a watta... can you bowl the kind of balls he bowls or the number of wickets he has taken. For fast bowlers, I understand that watta gives them an advantage. How is this an advantage for spinners?
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Faisal, trust me.. if watta is allowed even to a spinner he can use it to huge advantages.
Bhai, spinner is not relying on speed, which is what you unfairly get when you are throwing a watta. They are relying on the turn and also by deceiving the batsmen on the direction of turn with their hand action. Tell me, how throwing or not throwing will affect it?
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Bhai, spinner is not relying on speed, which is what you unfairly get when you are throwing a watta. They are relying on the turn and also by deceiving the batsmen on the direction of turn with their hand action. Tell me, how throwing or not throwing will affect it?
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It does help to spin the ball more.Try doing this with both staright hand and with the help of some bend.
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It does help to spin the ball more.Try doing this with both staright hand and with the help of some bend.
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Come and play cricket with me and bowl your spin bowling with watta, and show me.
I am not saying I can't be wrong .. I am just saying, I am not sure if there is any unfair advantage to spin bowlers.
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Come and play cricket with me and bowl your spin bowling with watta, and show me.
I am not saying I can't be wrong .. I am just saying, I am not sure if there is any unfair advantage to spin bowlers.
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Thats what I am saying. It is a great advantage of spin bowlers.I tried it and it definitly helps.
I think fast bowler dont get advantage of bend arms since they run for 20-30 meters before delivering ball.
Just try running fast and then bend your arm and see if you can get soem extra pace.If they bowled just standign liek baseball then chucking might help. my just 2 cents
IMHO, chucking doesn't help a spinner turn the ball more but it certainly adds to the delivery's speed. A thrown offspinner is more deadly because the normal turn is there but at a higher speed. I've seen many guys chuck spinners off two steps and they used to leave behind people who bowled proper fast bowling in terms of wickets. I believe this is exactly what batsmen have complained about regarding Murli's bowling. It is not the turn so much that bothers them (there are many spinners who can turn the ball a long way) but that the ball seems to kick off the ground before turning when he does his javelin throw.
Back to the topic, I do think that Murli chucks. Just because he has the ability to chuck "more" because of a physiological anamoly does bit mean he should take advantage of it to throw. But on the other hand, Shoaib Akhtar is a chucker too (IMHO) and there are plenty of people with suspect actions all over the world. But as long the Aussie, Saffie, English fast bowlers keep getting away with it, I don't see why Sri Lankan, Pakistani etc bowlers should not be allowed to chuck as well.
Well, I think our definition of "chucking" is very simplistic. If you start analyzing all bowlers (mostly fast bowlers), chances are they will straighten their arms somewhat while they bowl. That is why when ICC looked at the Akhtar/Lee/Murali issue in detail they found out that everyone does it to an extent, and therefore they said ok, we should have a certain degree that is permitted and beyond that is chucking. Murali & Co are more in the limelight not just cz they have a noticable straightening of the arm, but more importantly cz they are highly successful bowlers.
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It does help to spin the ball more.Try doing this with both staright hand and with the help of some bend.
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what are u talking abt???
meray bhai....when a spinner bowls watta, the bowl turns tremendously. Try bowling a doosra, with ur elbow bent, bacha bhi kar leta hai, and theres almost a 90 degree turn when the bowl bounces. But the real challenge is to bowl the doosra...with a straight. A very very difficult thing to master. Something which Saqlain came out with and was very good at it, but his doosra would'nt turn much, infact they would just go straight.
Aussie PM labels Murali a ‘chucker’](Yahoo is part of the Yahoo family of brands.)
SYDNEY (AFP) - Australian Prime Minister John Howard has bought into the debate over Muttiah Muralitharan’s controversial bowling action, labelling the Sri Lankan off-spinner a chucker.
Howard, a keen cricket fan, was asked at a lunchtime meeting of party faithful on the New South Wales south coast Friday if Muralitharan threw the ball when he bowled and he replied: “Yes.”
“They proved it in Perth too, with that thing,” he added, drawing an image of a video screen with his hands.
Muralitharan, the top Test wicket-taker of all time with 521 wickets, has a genetic defect which stops him fully straightening his bowling arm upon delivery.
Murali was reported for a suspect action by English match referee Chris Broad during the third and final Test of the March series in Sri Lanka won 3-0 by Australia.
Perth-based biomechanics experts subsequently tested him and initially found he straightened his bent arm by 14 percent in bowling a delivery tagged the doosra.
The ‘doosra’ is a delivery which spins away from right-handers instead of coming into them like a normal off-break.
Under remedial work Murali reduced the arm straightening to 10 percent, which is still twice the amount allowable for spinners under International Cricket Council regulations governing illegal bowling actions.
After being reported to the ICC Muralitharan has been ordered to stop bowling his “doosra” or face being suspended for up to a year.
he is the biggest chucker the world has ever seen!
Dunno about the "biggest", but the "best" he definitely is. :-P
Sri Lanka asks ICC to change bowling rules to end Murali row](http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/040609/3/4ak1.html)
COLOMBO (AFP) - Sri Lanka has asked the International Cricket Council (ICC) to change laws in a bid to end controversy over the ‘doosra’ delivery of the world’s highest Test wicket-taker Muttiah Muralitharan.
Sri Lanka Cricket president Mohan de Silva said he had asked the ICC to increase the tolerance limit to possibly 15 degrees.
The tolerance limits set by the ICC are five degres for spinners, 7.5 for medium-pacers and 10 for pacemen.
“We have written to the ICC today asking them to review the tolerance limits based on a scientific study of bowling action of all bowlers,” de Silva told reporters on Wednesday.
"We are not sure there should be one limit for a pace bowler and another for a spinner. A pace bowler can deliver a slow bowl and a spinner can deliver a fast bowl.
“What are the limits to be applied in this case is not very clear to us. We want a thorough review of all this.”
De Silva said he had the backing of at least six other Test playing countries in seeking a change of the bowling rules. He, however, declined to name them, only saying that they were mainly “Asian”.
He said Sri Lanka Cricket had assembled a team of lawyers to prepare a document for the ICC and the use of a large contingent of legal experts was to show the ICC “that we mean business”.
De Silva said Sri Lanka’s Prime Minister Mahinda Rajapakse dropped the idea of suing the ICC after being advised of the proper procedure to follow by the local governing body of the sport.
He said the premier’s backing was crucial to defend Muralitharan, whose bowling action was proved to be beyond the limits imposed by the ICC.
Rajapakse had said that Muralitharan, the most successful bowler in Test history with 527 wickets, was a national asset and he would do everything within his power and that of the government to defend the bowler.
Muralitharan, whose unorthodox action has seen him being no-balled for ‘throwing’ in the past, came under fresh scrutiny because of the ‘doosra’.
The bowler was told in April that if he persisted with it he could face a year-long ban.
Muralitharan was sent to Australia to work on his action after he was reported by English match-referee Chris Broad following the third and final Test against Australia at Colombo in March.
ICC chief executive Malcolm Speed had already said that a report forwarded to him by Sri Lanka Cricket but compiled by the University of Western Australia, meant Muralitharan’s ‘doosra’ could no longer be tolerated.
The report showed an initial straightening of the arm by 14 degrees which after remedial work was reduced to 10 degrees, still five degrees more than the level of tolerance for spinners.