Is listening to music permissible in Islam?

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*Originally posted by overthecross: *

The definition of the Psalm or Psalms:

A collection of sacred poems forming a book of canonical Jewish and Christian Scripture.

Often capitalized [Middle English, from Old English psealm, from Late Latin psalmus, from Greek psalmos, literally, twanging of a harp, from psallein to pluck, play a stringed instrument]

First appeared before 12th Century

A sacred song or poem used in worship; especially : one of the biblical hymns collected in the Book of Psalms

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Your statements clearly show where you are etting your definitions and theories from. Stop using the Christian and Jewish theories to apprehend the Quran and Hadith.

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*Originally posted by overthecross: *

Since you are so determined to claim that music is Haram yet you are unable to tell me which clear verse of quran prohibits use of musical instruments. If you are so confident about it then you supposed to know that clear verse. Please enlighten me form your knowledge of Quran. As a matter of fact there is not a single verse in Quran that tells you that music is haram.

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Since you are so certain of your wisdom, let me slap you with a few Hadith and Quranic verses, that clearly prohibits music.

The verses of the Quran and the Ahadith of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) indicate that musical instruments are condemned, and warn us against them. The Quran teaches that playing these instruments is one of the things that leads people astray and constitutes mockery of the Signs of Allah. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

"And Istafziz [literally means: befool them gradually] those whom you can among them with your voice (i.e. songs, music, and any other call for Allâh's disobedience), make assaults on them with your cavalry and your infantry, mutually share with them wealth and children (by tempting them to earn money by illegal ways usury, etc., or by committing illegal sexual intercourse, etc.), and make promises to them." But Satan promises them nothing but deceit. [The Holy Quran 17:64]

"And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e.music, singing, etc.) to mislead (men) from the Path of Allâh without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allâh, the Verses of the Qur'ân) by way of mockery. For such there will be a humiliating torment (in the Hell-fire)." [The holy Quran 31:6]

“In my ummah there will be people who allow fornication/adultery, silk, wine and musical instruments. Some people will stay at the side of a mountain, and they will have flocks of sheep. When a poor person comes in the evening to ask them for something he needs, they will say. ‘Come back to us tomorrow.’ Then during the night Allah will destroy them by causing the mountain to fall upon them, while He changes others into apes and swine. They will remain in such a state until the Day of Resurrection.’” The Prophet (peace be upon him)

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*Originally posted by overthecross: *

Aren’t that we supposed to do? We should use Quran and Ahadith to make decisions in our lives by using our common sense instead of following a fatwah from some pissed of hypocrite Mullah.

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NO mr wise guy...NO.

The Quran and Hadith is there for quidance, not for using it and bending it for our own selfish purposes. The Quran and Hadith contain clear cut rules, which we are supposed to follow.

Ok so you dont believe the Hadith …great.
Discussion ends here.

You have much bigger issues, that require immediate attention, the issue on music can wait.

Lets keep discussion on whether only quran is enouigh or is hadith also a required part of sharia, in a separate discussion.

In this thread, lets just focus on what your viewpoint is on the topic of whether listening of music is permissible/prohibited in Islam. Feel free to provide any references that you want to give.

I think most people have tried to present their view point clearly, with relevant references. This should be helpful to any reader.

as per custom on religion guys here tend to drag threads like pakistani drama's. let's just keep it to the point ppl. music is haram simple as that. yet those who r pro music r bent on backwards in trying to prove no it ain't??? why??

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*Originally posted by Sharaabi: *
Ok so you dont believe the Hadith ...great.
Discussion ends here.

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I didn’t write that. Read my post again. I guess someone needs to take some ESL classes.

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Originally posted by Sharaabi: *
"And Istafziz [literally means: befool them gradually] those whom you can among them with your voice *
(i.e. songs, music, and any other call for Allâh's disobedience)**, make assaults on them with your cavalry and your infantry, mutually share with them wealth and children (by tempting them to earn money by illegal ways usury, etc., or by committing illegal sexual intercourse, etc.), and make promises to them." But Satan promises them nothing but deceit. [The Holy Quran 17:64]

"And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e.music, singing, etc.) to mislead (men) from the Path of Allâh without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allâh, the Verses of the Qur'ân) by way of mockery. For such there will be a humiliating torment (in the Hell-fire)." [The holy Quran 31:6]

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Yet again you failed to provide with a Quranic verse that clearly says that music is haram. You have used word like music and songs in parenthesis, which is not the actual content of the verse but your own (or some mullah’s) interpretation. Try again. I will give you one more chance. Believe me, following Islam is not that tough. Don’t make your life so hard. Some mullahs have made Islam look like a strict religion with no leniency at all. And by the way you should consider changing your user id from alcoholic (sharabi) to something better. Then people might start listening to you. With that kind of name you really don’t have any credibility to talk about Quran and Ahadith.

Islam spread in Indian sub-continent thorugh Sufism and Qawali (a kind of music). If it wasn’t for qawali you wouldn’t be sitting here in religious forum talking about Islam. we would be rather in some mandir doing pooja paat. I made it clear in my very first post and let me say it again in case you didn’t read it first time. Islam didn't prohibit music unless it was used for sinful activities. Otherwise, music is allowed.

Praise be to Allaah.

The Standing Committee for Academic Research and Issuing Fatwas issued a statement refuting this article, the text of which is as follows:

The scholars of the Standing Committee said:

In refutation of these specious arguments the Committee has stated the following:

Firstly: it is not permissible for anyone to discuss matters of sharee’ah except scholars of sharee’ah who are specialized and qualified to research and examine issues. The writer of this article is not a seeker of shar’i knowledge (taalib ‘ilm) so it is not permissible for him to discuss something in which he is not specialized. Hence he has made many mistakes and said many ignorant things, and spoken about Allaah and His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) without knowledge. This is a sinful matter and is misguiding his readers. By the same token it is not permissible for the media – newspapers, magazines, etc – to give space to those who are not scholars of sharee’ah to discuss shar’i rulings and write about things that are not their specialty, so that the Muslims may be protected from their ideas and beliefs.

Secondly: Nothing can benefit the deceased after his death except that which is indicated by the shar’i evidence, such as the report in which the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When a man dies, his (good) deeds come to an end except three: ongoing charity, beneficial knowledge and a righteous son who will pray for him.” Narrated by Muslim, 1631. As for the sins that a person committed during his lifetime, and died without having repented from them – including singing – he will be punished for them unless Allaah forgives him for them by His Grace and kindness. So it is not permissible to resurrect them and revive them after he has died, lest that sin be added to the sins that he committed during his lifetime, because the harm of that extends to others, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever introduces a bad practice into Islam, the burden of that sin will be upon him, as will the sin of those who do it after him, without that detracting from their burden in the slightest.” Narrated by Muslim, 1017.

Thirdly: With regard to his comment that “There is no text in the Holy Qur’aan which forbids singing and music,” this reflects his ignorance of the Qur’aan. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah without knowledge, and takes it (the path of Allaah, or the Verses of the Qur’aan) by way of mockery. For such there will be a humiliating torment (in the Hell‑fire)”

[Luqmaan 31:6]

The majority of mufassireen say that what is meant by Lahwa al-hadeeth (“idle talks”) in this verse is singing. Another group says that it is every sound of entertainment, which includes flutes, stringed instruments and so on. All of these mislead men from the path of Allaah and cause misguidance. It is proven that Ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him), the great Sahaabi who was one of the scholars of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) said, commenting on this verse: “By Allaah, this refers to singing.” And he said: “It causes hypocrisy to grow in the heart as water causes herbs to grow.”

And there are many ahaadeeth which point to the prohibition of singing and musical instruments and indicate that they are a means which leads to great evil and bad consequences. The great scholar Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah be pleased with him) discussed the rulings on singing and musical instruments in great detail in his book Ighaathat al-Lahfaan.

Fourthly: This writer tells lies about the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) by saying that he used to listen to songs and music and enjoined them at Eid and on occasions such as marriage and other joyous occasions. It is proven that he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) granted a dispensation to women only, when there are no men present, allowing them to beat the daff and sing nasheeds which are free of any mention of love or the music and instruments, which includes the permissive songs that exist nowadays. Rather he allowed nasheeds that are free of such offensive characteristics and he allowed beating the daff only, not other kinds of drums or musical instruments, to proclaim marriage. It is narrated in saheeh ahaadeeth, as in Saheeh al-Bukhaari, that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade musical instruments of all types and issued stern warnings against them. It is narrated in Saheeh al-Bukhaari and other books of hadeeth that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There will be among my ummah people who will regard as permissible zina (adultery), silk, alcohol and ma’aazif (musical instruments). Some people will camp at the top of a mountain with their shepherd looking after their sheep, and a poor man will come and ask for something, and they will say, ‘Come back to us tomorrow.’ But Allaah will destroy them and level the mountain, and will turn others into monkeys and pigs until the Day of Resurrection.”

The word ma’aazif (translated above as musical instruments) refers to singing and all kinds of instruments. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) condemned those who regard as permissible zina (adultery), the wearing of silk for men and the drinking of alcohol, and who listen to singing and musical instruments. He mentioned that alongside zina, alcohol and the wearing of silk by men, which indicates that singing and musical instruments are emphatically forbidden.

Fifthly: With regard to this writer’s comment that there are da’eef (weak) ahaadeeth which some quote as evidence that singing and music are forbidden, but it is not right to attribute them to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in order to support an opinion or prevent something that some people do not agree with, this reflects his ignorance of the Sunnah, for the evidence that singing is forbidden is to be found partly in the Qur’aan and partly in Saheeh al-Bukhaari, as stated above, and partly in other books of Sunnah, which the earlier scholars used as evidence that singing and music are forbidden.

Sixthly: The opinion of some scholars who allow singing is an opinion that is refuted by the evidence which forbids that. The point here is that we should follow what the evidence says and not that which goes against it. We may take or leave the words of anyone except the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

This writer must repent to Allaah from what he has written, and he should nor speak about Allaah and His Messenger without knowledge, for speaking about Allaah without knowledge is mentioned alongside shirk in the Book of Allaah.

May Allaah help us all to learn the truth and follow it.

May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and upon his family and companions.

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It’s best we take from the learned scholars and try our best to leave that which is not in accordance to Quran and Sunnah. Most of us do not know Arabic, hence, we cannot best interpret Quran and ahadith like those who know the language and are learned in deen.

Very good post Saadiyah...

Unfortunately, we have some in-house Alims and Scholars, who are under the illusion that they know it all. They go and get the definitions and meaning of Psalms from the books of infidels, but the refuse to except Quranic interpretation and Hadith.

May Allah have mercy on all of us and show us all Hidayah

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*Originally posted by Sharaabi: *
Very good post Saadiyah...

Unfortunately, we have some in-house Alims and Scholars, who are under the illusion that they know it all. They go and get the definitions and meaning of Psalms from the books of infidels, but the refuse to except Quranic interpretation and Hadith.

*May Allah have mercy on all of us and show us all Hidayah *
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AmeeN summa AmeeN

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=psalms

I got the definition of Psalm from ‘Dictionary.com’. NOT from some bible.
Since when Dictionary.com became book of infidels? Rather website of infidels? If you can come up with a better definition of psalm than please let me know. And please go and read the English translation of Quranic verses 4:163 and 17:55. You will find the word psalm there. If still you don’t believe this then you have some serious issues. .

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*Originally posted by Sadiyah: *

Firstly: it is not permissible for anyone to discuss matters of sharee’ah except scholars of sharee’ah who are specialized and qualified to research and examine issues. The writer of this article is not a seeker of shar’i knowledge (taalib ‘ilm) so it is not permissible for him to discuss something in which he is not specialized. Hence he has made many mistakes and said many ignorant things, and spoken about Allaah and His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) without knowledge. This is a sinful matter and is misguiding his readers. By the same token it is not permissible for the media – newspapers, magazines, etc – to give space to those who are not scholars of sharee’ah to discuss shar’i rulings and write about things that are not their specialty, so that the Muslims may be protected from their ideas and beliefs.

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Do you follow the Quran or scholars? Do you listen to God or scholars? Scholars can also "make many mistakes and say many ignorant things." Scripture is translated so you don't have to speak the native tongue and rely on others for interpretation. Why would God require us to learn Arabic to understand his word?

Why you may not like enlightened, moderates or those who didn't grow up in a madrassah to share their ideas and interpretations, it is hardly "protecting Muslims from their ideas and beliefs" to censor their writings. More like protecting the ignorant.

^ People undoubtedly vary in their levels of knowledge and specialisations... those who know, know, and those who don't, don't; and of course the latter should endeavour to educate themselves as best they can but it's impossible to expect everyone to know everything about everything...

The fundamental Qur'anic teachings - Oneness of God, that He sent messengers, judgement day, reward and punishment, heaven and hell etc. etc. can be grasped by just about anyone irrespective of the language they read the Qur'an in... but an appreciation of certain nuances in the Arabic text may be required when considering matter of jurisprudence...

At the very least, no one should translate into the Qur'anic text words that were never there to begin with... something that might be done by someone inexperienced in Arabic or they might fail to notice it when someone else has done it - such as overthecross above for example...

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Do you follow the Quran or scholars? Do you listen to God or scholars? Scholars can also "make many mistakes and say many ignorant things." Scripture is translated so you don't have to speak the native tongue and rely on others for interpretation. Why would God require us to learn Arabic to understand his word?

Why you may not like enlightened, moderates or those who didn't grow up in a madrassah to share their ideas and interpretations, it is hardly "protecting Muslims from their ideas and beliefs" to censor their writings. More like protecting the ignorant.
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Out of curiosity, are you well-versed in Arabic language and have you studied tafsir, fiqh and the like?

Also, have you ever discussed this issue with scholar(s)?

I can't count to 3 in Arabic or even know how to say the word "camel".

I haven't talked with any self-professed Muslim scholars, but have read the Quran and thousands of pages of interpretation. Nor have I attended a madrassah, performed the pilgrimage to Meccah, or visited the cave of Hira or the Mountain of Light. But it is not fathomable to me that one has to have others interpret anything and everything spiritual. Sure, one can listen/read for guidance but we must use our own good sense and not rely soley on others for interpretation and translation.

^ Thanks for the promt reply. :)

well according to some, music is halal if it doesnt have lewd words/dancing etc. Music that brings you closer to god etc, classical stuff etc. does it not depend on the type of music and words?

And where do u think…those people got the idea of Psalms from? Like i said, BOOKS OF THE INFIDELS. Its a shame, we have to rely on other books rather than Islamic Books. Its a shame…we treating the people who wrote that dictionary as the All-Knowing, All-Correct, and our dissing our Islamic Scholars and Imams. Because the Dictionary just cant be wrong…:rolleyes:

Anyways, this topic would just go on and on. All the hadith and Quranic statements are their, but if someone is ignorant enought as to not be able to interpret the meaning of “idle talks”, than God help him.

Since its directly related to the topic, and I don't think I saw a clear answer on this except taunts from other members... I will appreciate if someone can clarify what was the way of preaching by Hazrat Daud (Allaih salaaam). As far as I know Zabur/Psalms are/were poetic (as is Quran), and I had head that Hazrat Daud had a very sweet voice. Opposition to music instruments, I can see.. but whats the verdict on singing, per se?

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Since its directly related to the topic, and I don't think I saw a clear answer on this except taunts from other members... I will appreciate if someone can clarify what was the way of preaching by Hazrat Daud (Allaih salaaam). As far as I know Zabur/Psalms are/were poetic (as is Quran), and I had head that Hazrat Daud had a very sweet voice. Opposition to music instruments, I can see.. but whats the verdict on singing, per se?
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Faisal saab....the statement regarding to singing is clear. As i mentioned the Quranic verse, that engaging in "idle talks" is not allowed. So singing something that is true, or singing in times of happiness, of somethign that is the thruth was actually allowed by the Prophet. Singing of Hamds is allowed too. But singing about something that has no meaning and purpose is wrong.

Idle talks can also relate to telling jokes, that have no meaning soley for the purpose of making someone laugh. Telling meaningless tales...etc.

Although I am deviating from the topic, but I am 100% positive that jokes (as long as they are not lies) is perfectly ok in Islam too. Bringing smile, laugh and joy to people is not prohibited in our deen. Don’t you remember the incident/joke where Prophet (Peace be upon him) was eating some dates with his companions? Just as a byline, here is a khutbah](http://www.alminbar.com/khutbaheng/1512.htm) on etiquettes of joking in Islam, including several examples from the time of the Prophet.