Is Jehad not Fard already on every muslim?

I had a discussion with some muslim youths and my friend and coworkers in past week over Jehad being obligation on Muslims in the wake of “Attack on Iraq”. Here obligation means when we litterally must have to leave home in the name of Allah otherwise will be questioned on the day of judgement if fail to do so without any sharai reason.

I want your input in this regards. Please only serious input.

Here are the different opinions that I gathered from the talks.

a) Some said its already Fard since the first armyman crossed the border of Iraq.

b) Some said its been obligation since the first gulf war, when the non-believers entered into land of Arab and Iraq.

c) Some said its not since some (I would say handful like Kuwait and Qatar etc) muslim countries are fully supporting the war and even Turkey is trying to bargain for $billions. Its all about money: The oil is on attack not Islam. I presonally strongly disagree with this.

d) Other said it will be obligation IF after the removal of Saddam Govt. the Iraqi people don’t accept Tommy Frank’s marshal law and start fighting with the occupying forces.

e) Other said it will be obligation if post Iraq war they attack Syria and Iran or during this war these two countries are also dragged into war. Then it will no more be a Saddam’s matter but to control the region.

Dying for Sadam's regime is a waste of life.I don't think so fard of jihad applies here. You have to differentiate between right and wrong. In this war both parties are wrong.

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*Originally posted by sherrybaba: *
Dying for Sadam's regime is a waste of life.I don't think so fard of jihad applies here. You have to differentiate between right and wrong. In this war both parties are wrong.
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I Agree. As an American I think its wrong. As a catholic I know war never proves wrong over right. As a woman I abhore war.

I think its childish, uneducated and ugly.

Yet I am helpless to stop it. I am torn seeing my brothers die and Iraqi's brothers die.

I'm confused.

I do know I hate war. I don't think its the answer.

Excellent point Sherrybaba. So now we have another perspective on this issue.

But it raises another question. What if Saddam flees from Iraq or hide like bin laden, and US imposes marshal law on Iraq and then attack Syria or/and Iran for false allegations? Will Jehad be an obligation on us or we have to wait untill US captures directly or virtually the whole Islamic world?

Americangal.....it doesn't apply on you since ur a catholic and Jehad is a Islamic issue. Thanks for the comments though. You sure are right saying that war is ugly regardless who is killing who.

first of all lets make it clear that america is not fighting against iraqi regime....

they r fighting against iraqi people (who r muslims) to steal (rob) them of their oil....
they r killing and torturing civillians (and dont think i am lying if ur american media hides this from u)....

to protect these innocent musims, being killed by the disbelievers, firstly for oil, secondly to presever israeli rights, we muslims MUST do jihaad against the american led attack on iraq....

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*Originally posted by sherrybaba: *
Dying for Sadam's regime is a waste of life.I don't think so fard of jihad applies here. You have to differentiate between right and wrong. In this war both parties are wrong.
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Sherry...its not abt Saddam and his regime, we all know Saddam's a puppet of US, and its highly likely, he's gonna run away or something, just like bin Laden.

But there hundreds of muslims being killed, innocent...who have done no crime what so ever. They dont want the Americans in their land, they are the ones who are being opressed. So the war in Iraq is a true Jihad, and its our duty to help them.

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*Originally posted by sherrybaba: *
Dying for Sadam's regime is a waste of life.I don't think so fard of jihad applies here. You have to differentiate between right and wrong. In this war both parties are wrong.
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Innocent muslims of Iraq r dying, this is not a war against Saddam but rather a WAR agianst muslims!!!

and if 4 once u stopped believing the UK/USA war mongers saying of we r the liberators, maybe u could get it through ur head that dropping 8000 bombs on a nation,killings its civillians (n they sayin we wer right do so),destroying markets,destroyin water supplies(since las gulf war) is not called bringing peace to da nation!!!

how abt we drop 8000 bombs in NY n call it liberation from Bush regime!!!!!

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*Originally posted by al_nasar: *

Innocent muslims of Iraq r dying, this is not a war against Saddam but rather a WAR agianst muslims!!!

and if 4 once u stopped believing the UK/USA war mongers saying of we r the liberators, maybe u could get it through ur head that dropping 8000 bombs on a nation,killings its civillians (n they sayin we wer right do so),destroying markets,destroyin water supplies(since las gulf war) is not called bringing peace to da nation!!!

how abt we drop 8000 bombs in NY n call it liberation from Bush regime!!!!!
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As usual the pro westerners run off when they cant answer a ques!

FATWA TAKEN FROM ISLAMONLINE.NET

QUESTION:I am a fit Muslim, and I know how to use rifles. I believe I should go to Iraq for Jihad. But I have never done Hajj. I didn't go to perform Hajj because I thought I would need the money to travel to Iraq. Was I wrong? Is Hajj or Jihad the priority?

Answer In The Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

ANSWER:All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

"You should have gone to Hajj. Traveling to Iraq for Jihad is only required when they seek the support of Muslim fighters to go there."

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*Originally posted by al_nasar: *

As usual the pro westerners run off when they cant answer a ques!
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You're way off base. If you can't see the difference between Bush and Saddam, you need to get with the program.

How about this. Go tell all your jihadi friends to pack their bags to go fight the infidels in Iraq (funny, even the common Iraqis aren't fighting). Make sure you get all of them to go. Bring your weapons and suicide wear. Get as many to go with you as possible.

But, when you get there, stand up and fight like a man. Don't hold a woman at gunpoint to stand before you. Don't hide behind children. Don't force people with common sense to go fight for you or threaten them to death if they don't. Grab your gun, stand up, and shoot the infidels in Iraq.

You won't be standing long.

Or, you could take the appropriate action. Have your jihadi friends stand up and fight the real infidels- the idiots in your mosques being paid by your corrupt governments to spew hatred against the West to hide their own abuses against their own people. Fight these people if you want freedom and peace. Stand up against the murderers and torturers like Osama Bin Laden. That's a fight you will win.

Do something right for a change. You've only had a few thousand years at getting things wrong.

First of all, this 'war on iraq' is not jihad and if there was a jihaad NO it is not wajib on every muslim to leave their home and go fight. Jihaad is "fard kifa'yah" (fard on the whole ummah) not "fard a'yn" (fard on the individual) like prayers for example. And Allah knows best.

Shaykh 'Ubayd al-Jaabiree on the Position Towards Iraq

From a Paltalk Session today 31/03/2003 at 8:30pm UK Time

Question: O esteemed Shaykh, what is happening now (in Iraaq) so what is the position of the Muslim towards this trial, and is there a Jihaad, and are do those soldiers who are in the Gulf have the ruling of being mujaahideen, and may Allaah reward you.

Shaykh Ubayd al-Jaabiree: I dont know why this question (is asked) when, when we have just ended the speech with what I consider to comprise the answer to it and to its likes. However, despite this, just so that it is said, that Ubayd has neglected some of the questions.

So I say: Firstly, not all of the Iraaqi society is Muslim. Rather, amongst them is the Marxist, amongst them is the Ba'athist Heretic, and amongst them are numerous orientations. And there are Muslims amongst them...

And amongst them are the Raafidah. And the positions of the Scholars towards the Raafidah is well known, amongst them are those who declared them Disbelievers.

Secondly, we have Rulers and those who have authority, and it is obligatory to give them hearing and obedience, and around our rulers are those who have knowledge, and experience, and speciality in the political affairs. So we do not undermine them, and we have already mentioned previously that the general affairs are not for just any person. Rather, they are for whom? For those in authority.

And as it is appropriate, I also say that those who call to cutting off from the products of America and Britain and others, then those people have a resemblance to the Raafidah. Shaykh ul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah mentions in Minhaaj us-Sunnah, in the first volume, and I believe it is page 38, "From the stupidity of the Raafidah is that they do not drink from the river that was unearthed (i.e. dug out, like a well) by Yazeed". So those Harakiyyoon and Hizbiyyoon, have resembled the Raafidah. And what an evil model (that is). And the most repugnant for a person that his model, and way is that of the Raafidah.

Thirdly, the banner of fighting in Iraaq, who is carrying it? It is carried by Saddaam Hussain at-Takreetee, and he is the leader of the Ba'athi Party in his land...and the Ba'athi Party, is secularist, disbelieving, heretical. Its foundation is upon mixing and not differentiating between a Sunni Muslim, Guidance from the Scholars Concerning Iraaq and between the Jew, Christian, Communist, and others. They are all the same, equal. And for this reason, their slogan is, as their poet has said:

I believe in, -- (Shaykh Ubayd): I seek refuge in Allaah --
I believe in al-Ba'ath as the Lord which has no partner
And in Arabism as a religion, which has no other (religion)

This is their religion, qawmiyyah (nationalism) and shu'oobiyyah, and their religion is not Islaam. So built upon this, the one who fights under the banner of the Iraaqi government, then he is fighting under a banner of disbelief. And we do not dispute that the people of Iraaq have the right to defend themselves. They can defend themselves, their blood, their honour and their wealth, they can defend those who transgress upon them, whether America or Britain or other than them.

So it is obligatory upon us, the community of Muslims that we ask Allaah in our supplication that He delivers the Muslims amongst the people of Iraaq. So whoever said O Allaah save the [Iraaqi Society]1 , then he has erred. This supplication of his reaches even the Marxist and the Communist. And the Ba'ath Party is at the front of the [supplication of the] one who supplicates for the Iraaqi society (in general). No, but supplicate to Allaah that He delivers the Muslims amongst the people of Iraaq. And that he relieves them of their distress. This is what I can add now.

Here are some fatawas regarding the war in Iraq insh’Allah they’ll be beneficial.

http://www.fatwa-online.com/worship/jihaad/jih009/index.htm

Allahu aalim

I think fighting against Saddam is Jihad. After all, he is a socialist dictator that has killed Muslims by the thousands. Getting him out of power is the right thing to do and every Muslims should have fought against him.