i have a question. since syeds arent supposed to recieve zakaat, does that mean that sources of money that would have a portion of them from zakat, such as the earthquake relief fund becomes haram for them?
erm, please split this thread, i should’ve opened a new one :s
Re: Is it permissible to give zakah to Syeds?
ravage, there's a difference of opinion (amongst Sunni Syeds) on whether or not Syeds can receive zakah.
I guess those who are of the view that zakah shouldn't be given to Syeds should probably make donations to those affected by the earthquake.
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what is a syed? are they superior humans? are they ALL rich? Did Allah Mian mention anywhere not to give zakat to 'syeds'?
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You can give zakat to syeds but not sadqa.
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read ‘ahadith’, its not “prohibited” as if they are superior humans/richie rich, cuz I believe according to one hadith Prophets can’t accept sadaqa, if I’m not wrong he said same about his “family”, but now that family is sooooo big that all Syeds claim to be part of his “family” and hence cannot “accept” sadaqa.
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funguy, Syeds are just like any other Muslims. However, some are of the opinion that they are not to be given zakah because they are most likely the direct descendants (sp?) of Prophet Muhammad (SAW). There's more to it.
It's our deeds that either raises or lowers our status in front of Allah (SWT).
Captain1, since you've mentioned ahadith, please do share some ahadith that prohibit Syeds from receiving zakah.
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I could find only two ahadith for now, which show that Prophets don't accept/take sadaqa, couldn't find the one which tells about 'family cannot accept sadaqa' right now... probably later.
003.047.750 - Gifts - - - -
Narrated Abu Huraira
Whenever a meal was brought to Allah's Apostle, he would ask whether it was a gift or Sadaqa (something given in charity). If he was told that it was Sadaqa, he would tell his companions to eat it, but if it was a gift, he would hurry to share it with them.
003.042.612 - Oppressions - - - -
Narrated Anas
The Prophet passed a date fallen on the way and said, "Were I not afraid that it may be from a Sadaqa (charitable gifts), I would have eaten it."
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Sometimes when I return homeand find a date fallen on my bed, I pick it up in order to eat it, butI fear that it might be from a Sadaqa, so I throw it."
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Right, the Syeds are so widespread, that I can't imagine then being direct descendents of the Prophet...I thought the descendent line was broken anyway?
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Who are Syeds? I mean how do you know these ppl are truly syeds (decendants) of Prophet? Nowadays every tom, dick and harry calls him/herself Syed.
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Amazingly enough you only find 'syeds' in India and Pakistan and NOT in Saudi Arabia where the prophet (SAW) lived. As far as I know a syed in Saudia is like Mr. or Saaheb.
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^ you are right about that funguy
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^ u do find syeds, but only among arab shiaas....
they make sure they put Al-Sayed before their name....
while others have sayed as a title, they retain the Al-Sayed with their name....
like: Prof. Al-Sayed Hussain Mehdi or Doctor Al-Sayed Ali Hassan or Shaikh al-Sayed Mohammad Al-Kadhim
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**:salam: **
Bismillahir rahmaan ar raheem
question.
**is there any truth about, you can’t give money,zakat or anything to Syed? **
**Answer **
Praise be to Allaah.
The idea that there are “sayyids” or “walis” (“saints”) whom Allaah has singled out from among mankind for some favour, or that they have a status which other people do not share, is an idea which is based on the Magian belief that Allaah is “incarnated” in people He chooses from among mankind. The Persians used to believe this of their kings (Chosroes) , and that this spirit moved from one king to another, through his descendents. This Magian (Zoroastrian) idea spread to the Muslims via the Raafidi Shi’ah, whose origins are Magian – so this idea was introduced to the Muslims. This idea says that Allaah selects some of mankind, to the exclusion of others, for this status, which is the status of imaamah and wilaayah. So they believe in this idea with regard to ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib and his descendents, and they add other positions to that, such as sayyid and aayah. This idea also spread to some misguided Sufi groups, such as the notion of abdaal and qutb. They said that as this sayyid or wali has this position and status, then they know better what is in our best interests, so we should entrust our affairs to them, because they are better than us, and so they are more entitled to take the zakaah. There can be no doubt that this is obviously a misguided notion.
The truth which Allaah and His Messenger have explained is that the zakaah must be given to those whom Allaah mentioned in His Book, when He said (interpretation of the meaning):
“As-Sadaqaat (here it means Zakaah) are only for the Fuqaraa’ and Al‑Masaakeen (the poor) and those employed to collect (the funds); and to attract the hearts of those who have been inclined (towards Islam); and to free the captives; and for those in debt; and for Allaah’s Cause (i.e. for Mujaahideen — those fighting in a holy battle), and for the wayfarer (a traveller who is cut off from everything); a duty imposed by Allaah. And Allaah is All-Knower, All-Wise”[al-Tawbah 9:60
According to the Hanbali madhhab, it is better for the Muslim to handle the distribution of his zakaah himself, giving it to the poor whom he knows in his own country. If he cannot do that, then he should give it to a righteous and trustworthy man whose religious commitment he trusts, so that he may deliver it to the poor and needy – not as these people do who take it for their own personal use.
By giving zakaah to these so-called sayyids, one is helping them to support their sect. So it is not permissible, according to sharee’ah, to give them zakaah even if they ask for it, because they are following in the footsteps of the Jews and Christians who came before them, of whom Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“O you who believe! Verily, there are many of the (Jewish) rabbis and the (Christian) monks who devour the wealth of mankind in falsehood, and hinder (them) from the way of Allaah (i.e. Allaah’s religion of Islamic Monotheism)…”
[al-Tawbah 9:34]
And Allaah knows best
1 – The ruling on giving zakaah to parents.
Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “The Muslim cannot give his zakaah to his parents or to his children; rather he has to spend on them from his wealth if they need that and he is able to spend on them.”
Question :
inshAllah that makes things clear.
one think i would like to add…is that zakaat is not to be given to parents and off spring…why?..
because it is your duty, your obligation as the man(husband) of the house, to feed them provide for them and protect them in the first place.
as for the women(wife) she is diffrent …----->
With regard to a wife giving the zakaah of her wealth to her husband, many scholars have said that this is permissible, and they quote as evidence the report narrated by al-Bukhaari (1462) and Muslim (1000) from Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri (may Allaah be pleased with him), that when the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) commanded the women to give in charity, Zaynab the wife of ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood came to him and said: “O Prophet of Allaah, today you told us to give in charity. I have some jewellery and I want to give it in charity, but Ibn Mas’ood claims that he and his child are more deserving of my charity.” The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Ibn Mas’ood has spoken the truth. Your husband and child are more deserving of your charity.”
Al-Haafiz said: This hadeeth indicates that it is permissible for a woman to give her zakaah to her husband. This is the view of al-Shaafa’i, al-Thawri and the two companions of Abu Haneefah. It was one of the two reports narrated from Maalik, and from Ahmad.
This is supported by the fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not discuss it further with her, which may be interpretted as meaning that his statement is applicable in general terms, because when she mentioned charity, he did not ask whether this was voluntary charity or obligatory charity (i.e., zakaah). It is as if he said: That is a valid action on your part whether it is obligatory or voluntary.
Some scholars said that it is not allowed for a wife to give the zakaah of her wealth to her husband, because he is going to spend some of it on her, so it is as if she is giving the zakaah to herself. They interpreted this hadeeth as referring to voluntary charity.
Ibn al-Munayyir responded to this view by saying: The possibility that her charity may come back to her also applies in the case of voluntary charity.
Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen said in al-Sharh al-Mumti’ (6/168-169):
The correct view is that it is permissible to give zakaah to one’s husband if he is one of the people who are entitled to zakaah.
Perhaps evidence for that may be seen in the words that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) spoke to Zaynab the wife of ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with them both): “Ibn Mas’ood has spoken the truth. Your husband and child are more deserving of your charity.” We may say that this includes both obligatory and voluntary (naafil) charity. Whatever the case, if this hadeeth is evidence then all well and good, but if it applies only to voluntary charity then with regard to giving zakaah to one’s husband we say: if the husband is poor then he is entitled to zakaah, and where is the evidence that this is not allowed? Because if the ruling can only be proven by evidence, there is no evidence either from the Qur’aan or the Sunnah that a woman cannot give her zakaah to her husband.
The Standing Committee (10/62) was asked:
Is it permissible for a woman to give the zakaah of her wealth to her husband if he is poor?
They replied: it is permissible for a woman to give the zakaah of her wealth to her husband if he is poor so as to ward off his poverty, because of the general meaning of the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“As-Sadaqaat (here it means Zakaah) are only for the Fuqaraa’ (poor), and Al-Masaakeen (the poor)”
[al-Tawbah 9:60]
Thirdly:
The above applies only to a wife giving her zakaah to her husband. With regard to a husband giving his zakaah to his wife, Ibn al-Mundhir said: They (the scholars) are unanimously agreed that a man should not give his zakaah to his wife, because he is obliged to spend on her, which means that she does not need zakaah.
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Re: Is it permissible to give zakah to Syeds?
Fear Allah: For #1, sawaal gandum jawab chana. The question was asked if Zakat can be given to Syed, the answerer is suggesting as if Syed is asking for zakat or as if they are posing to be more deserving cuz they are Syeds. Please post a better Q&A.
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like armughal says, you do find syeds in the hijaz region too, however they're dispersed to the eastern provinces, and most of them are shias. Most arab/non arab syeds tend to be shias, and until recently shias were very persecuted in that country, and thereby had to hide their identities, and emigrate to safer places, such as iran and the subcontinent. But even in arabia, theres plenty of syeds in countries like Iraq and Iran and Egypt.
While theres a lot of fake syeds around, most genuine syeds do have some way of tracing their lineage back to the prophet, like family shajray.
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sugarfree, alot of seyeds have shajarahs to prove their linkage. If theres one thing an unpaRh seyed will know by heart, is his shajarah back to front. It an heirloom thats passed down from generation to generation. You have to read the history to understand how shia/seyeds were persecuted and migrated to all parts of the world, including iran/ india/ russia/ afganistan etc. ppl like the great seyed saints in uch sharif, came there from bukhara, in uzbekistan. Their generation is spread throughout pakistan/India.
fg there are seyeds in saudi. its not too amazing really.
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you basically rephrased everything i said and added “russia” to it. 
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hehe, thats because i dinn see your reply. :halo:
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^ motapey buri bala hai :p
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^ true maybe, but way off topic x-mod. :halo: