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antiobl,
2....as islam allows copying software. It is not theft in Islam.
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You got it all mixed up dude.
No. 1 is true as it comes from the Messenger saw.
No. 2 is wrong because:
---------it contradicts No.1 and
---------it comes from some Mulluhatic idiotic.
Theft is theft.
I do not own a Bentley automobile. I cannot afford one. Does that make it right to steal it?
If Muslims had the market cornered, and produced all of the software in the world, do you think they would sell it and insist that it not be resold?
Right and wrong are as plain as the nose on your face. Stop trying to find an Islamic loophole to soothe your conscience.
antiobl,
I expected a reply like of course I'm a Muslim and of course Islam is suitable for all ages, it is from the creator of humankind and how can I say that Allah somehow didn't know what was going to happen in 2004 for me to even suggest that would make me an apostate and only a kafir would believe that Islam was just a phase that some people from Arabia went through. Haven't you read about what the Prophet(saw) of Allah(swt) said about Muslims reestablishing the khilafah after it had been destroyed.
But I got a reply in which again you completely avoided my questions.
There's no difference between a Mad Mullah and you. Both of you can't justify your arguments which you base on superficial evidences.
Ohioguy,
I also agree theft is theft.
After you buy the software who does it belong to?
Stealing a bentley can be justified using secularism but not under Islam. The same goes for selling drugs, prostitution, murder.
The secularist mindset is that before life there was nothing, after life you will be dust so live life to the max, enjoy life however you want to enjoy it. There is no accountability if the camera doesn't catch you. You have freedom to do anything you want.
So the criminal commits the crime and can justify it through secularism. Secularism has to contradict itself in order to deal with the criminal. It has to make laws to restrict freedom( which it holds as sacred) and then at the same time preaches freedom.
The Islamic mindset is that before life there is Allah(swt), After life there is eternity in Jannah or Jahunnum and this life is a test through which we earn Jannah. The concept of accountability to Allah and the fact that we will eventually have to answer to Him(swt) stops many problems which are now facing the secular world whether in the east(fake muslim countries) or the west.
A criminal cannot justify his crime using Islam. Islam deals with the criminal according to Islam. Islam doesn't need to be restricted in order to control it.
This is what makes Islam superior to anything else and this is why the Islamic state the khilafah has to be established if the human race want to see justice and relief from the shackles of corporate enslavement.
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*Originally posted by Raihan: *
.....I also agree theft is theft.
After you buy the software who does it belong to?
Stealing a Bentley can be justified using secularism but not under Islam. The same goes for selling drugs, prostitution, murder.......
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Well if you agree that "theft is theft", then why are you hell bent on using pirated software.
Oh wait! You have no idea what the heck is "intellectual property". Well Mullahtic idiotics and their followers severely lack intellect, we all know about it.
So people with low intellect give a damn to the laws and go ahead and steal. You understand theft of Bentley because it fits your 1000 years old model.
However the laws to protect intellectual property are relatively new. Bentley's theft is trivial issue and Mullahtics understand it. However they have no idea that Toyota will be taken to court if they ever try to copy "pirate" the patented sections of the Bentley.
Blame it on "She-coolers" for making it a difficult world for the Mullahtics. These poor beardos were happy to eat dates and grass, then sleep all day on the heap of sand.
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*Originally posted by Raihan: *
.... Haven't you read about what the Prophet(saw) of Allah(swt) said about Muslims reestablishing the khilafah after it had been destroyed.......
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Thieves of intellectual property have no right to even talk about the Messenger saw, who was the most honest, trustworthy, and tolerant of his time.
antiobl,
Try answering the questions I've directed towards you and not the ones I've directed towards ohioguy.
I don't follow any Mullah I follow Islam. I know its probably hard for you to understand since such a thing doesn't exist in secularism but we Muslims do not follow anyone blindly we request some proof whether textual or rational, depending on the subject matter.
Truth doesn't change over time, I know its hard for you to understand since secualrism keeps on failing and you have to keep on changing it but Islam doesn't need to change since it has never failed.
The only difference between 1400 years ago and today is technology. People still need food, clothing, shelter. People still need to know how to buy and sell so the same problems exist which Islam can solve in accordance with man's nature.
You still have to prove how it is theft.
People who think the laws that RasulAllah(saw) brought are outdated (something that will take you out of Islam) have no right to talk about our Noble Prophet Muhammad(saw)
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.....The only difference between 1400 years ago and today is technology. People still need food, clothing, shelter. People still need to know how to buy and sell so the same problems exist which Islam can solve in accordance with man's nature.......
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Well instead of going back 1400 years, let's check out the scene from 400 years ago. Show me one ruling that talks about protecting "intellectual property" or patent rights. What's the ruling (if at all) on patents by big 4 Imams or their follower Muftis?
Your view of the world is very simplistic (read tribal, nomadic, sandy, etc). The world has changed tremendously and so are the concepts relating to protection of property rights.
What Muftis of today (if they have any sense) can do is to reinterpret Islamic ruling on theft and include property rights in the protected list. If they don't, there would be no scientific development in Arrabob lands.
p.s. Islam online and other places do offer the concepts related to protection of intellectual property rights. Go read them, just ignore the commie leftie militant crap.
So the secular world invents a law for the benefit of the fat cat capitalists who fund election campaigns in order for the laws to be passed in their favour and somehow Islam has to accept it to be progressive? get real
Islam is an alternative ideology to capitalism and the Islamic view on ownership is distinct from the capitalist viewpoint on ownership. Would a communist accept laws from Islam, or capitalism, would capitalism accept laws from communism or Islam?
Where is the progress in the western world? When you think of america you see silicon valley but you don't see the slums.
Progress is when the entire society is elevated in their thinking, when the entire society trusts their government and when the society knows that when they turn to the system it will give justice and solve their problems. Not when a minority of extremely rich people remain in power and have comfortable lives.
The western world has failed to convince the Islamic world of its values and now it tries to implement its laws through force (Iraq) because in order to accept capitalism you must stop thinking. You have failed to prove how it is theft.
Stop avoiding writing what you really mean. You want us to reject Islam and accept capitalism like you have but since your decision is not based on intellect you're having a hard time trying to convince us of it.
If Islam has to change then it will no longer be Islam and that is exactly what you want that Islam become like christianity which is continually changed every year that the original message is long lost.
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1......You want us to reject Islam and accept capitalism like you have ....
2......If Islam has to change then it will no longer be Islam ....
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Mullah Sahib, calm down Islam khatray main nahin hai (Islam is not in danger). The world these days has to make new laws to face the current challenges. Your Islam will not go bad if you follow some "secular" rules like:
Observing speed limits on the road (Camel riders never needed such capitalistic rules)
Stopping at red light and starting at green (sheep herders had no concept of traffic lights)
Paying bills to capitalistic utility companies (Biddus went to their own well and fetched water)
Paying for the software you want to use on a capitalistic invention called computer.
Not being a thief of intellectual property.
antiobl,
Obeying your parents in matters relating to them is a fardh. If your father asks you to bring him some coffee it would be an obligation for you even though it isn’t written anywhere in the texts that bringing coffee for your father is a fardh. Likewise obeying the Ameer is a fardh. Every single law that an Ameer can make is not written in the texts only that obeying the Ameer is a fardh so he can make traffic laws and obeying them would be a fardh.
Laws are not secular the origin of laws from the idea that ‘whether or not there is a Creator we will make up our own laws as we go along’ is what secularism is.
Since you aren’t even attempting to prove how it is theft and you don’t even answer my questions I don’t want to waste any more time here.
If you want to discuss secularism with me try this
http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=172879
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Ameer = Abba Jaan = Tribalism Kapeesh!
Time to live like nomadic tribes is over, unless you want to spend rest of your life in a cave while sending out video love letters.
Protection of intellectual property has nothing to do with Abba Jaani, or Ameer Jaani. They all can live in their hujra following some MAToo circus.