Is it not honesty that all muslim ummah should now------

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Dear Readers,

Assalam Ale kum,

Since now it has been known to all muslim ummah that saddam was not only cruel on Kuwait or Saudia. He was more cruel to his own people, without discremination. He was equally cruel for Kurds sunnis(as they were non arab), He was cruel on shias, although they were arabs.

We all know that he was an unpredictable cruel person. I know many of his cruelity stories, since my father’s family is in Iraq. Anyway,

Why can not muslim terrorist can stop killing their own Iraqis?

Do not we have any influencial organisation (I do not mind even if it is those muslim’s terrorists organisations) who can convince them to stop killing muslims and kidnapping them; for their unjustified causes.

Since it is better for kuwait,saudia and iran and syria to not have a cruel person(saddam Hussain) among them.Since they were also to some extend were under tension in his presence/ influence.

Now is it not our islamic duty to make the hands of new iraqi’s interm government strong so that they could be able to ask, americans, with strength to leave their country soon; as now they are asking them to stay, since they do not have any alternative. (They have chosen; Better among the worst enemies).

Why shall we (muslims) can not be honest towards Iraqi government?

What is stopping us?

What is the real agenda of muslims?

Do they not want interm iraqi government?

Is it causing any harm to muslim ummah?

What I view this behaviour of staying quite of muslim ummah indicates that they are in favour of terrorists in iraq and are against the Iraqi government.

Would not it cooking hatred in the hearts of EMAMIS firqa against all those countries, such as syria specially Farooq sharah and In Saudia (king Abdullah), and in jorden ( king abdullah and in Iran (khomani).

Do not you think Iraqis would never be with us, all muslims later in life; since as you know they have not yet forgotten WAQIYAYE KarBALLa.

Is it intellegence to talk about muslim unity and on the other hand openly------and we think others are fools.

Also shall not we(atleast Pakistanis) try to help Iraqi, new interm government after taking outh from them that they would conduct election.?

Is not it our religious duty to help our muslim brothers, by sending our army for peace and security of their people.?

Is our ullamas such as Moullana Fazllu and Moullana Qazi Ahmed, who speak against sending our pakistani army to iraq, think helping Government of Iraq is sin and not helping them is again some sawab, since that would continue making terrorist strong in Iraq?

Or what is the probable reason of these two sheiks being against helping iraqi new government?

Is it not inhuman that we all keep quite for what is happening in Iraq by our own muslim terrorists. I know america is cruel but they are not our own.

Are not we muslims breaking our legs with our own axe; and would never ever have muslim unity for years to come.

Is not this correct that Emamies Firqa is getting closer and closer to non muslims, due to cunning behaviour of muslims against them. Regards Sokoon

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"Or what is the probable reason of these two sheiks being against helping iraqi new government?

Is it not inhuman that we all keep quite for what is happening in Iraq by our own muslim terrorists. I know america is cruel but they are not our own.

Are not we muslims breaking our legs with our own axe; and would never ever have muslim unity for years to come"

Well put, and a shame that the only answers you will get here will probably not be what you want to hear.

The raw truth of it is that it is more important for the Ummah to fight the West than to end the suffering of Iraqi's. All of the crocodile tears about the sanctions are sure gone now, and we see that no one really wants to help the Iraqi's at all. Every crazed Jihadi can now go to Iraq and blow up Americans. That may give them some sense of fleeting satifaction, but it will accomplish about as much as blowing up Russians in Afghanistan. Afghanistan, left to extremists became a 20 year war, with constant fighting, and warlords and totalitarian fundamentalists ruling the country.

The Ummah does not care about Iraqi's, the Ummah only cares these days about fighting the West and regaining power. The radicals are willing to sacrifice anyone and everyone to gain power. The Iraqi's are in the middle of a mess...

The radicals oppose elections in Afghanistan, and they will oppose elections in Iraq. They do not want the people to speak, they want people to listen when told what to do.

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This is an addition to my original thread.

Hi,
Following is the answer to those who think the way you said.

Which kind of lost strenght they are looking to restore?

When were muslim ummah was strong?

What kind of self deception are they in?

Killing Shia(iraqis) and Killing non Arab(sunni kurds) for 35 years and doing cruelity on them. was their power/lost strength.?

Do they want to store that power?

Or strength of stabbing from behind like cowards, which Islam never approves of ?

Attacking twin towers is a coward act. I would have considered it even as an honourable but coward act even if ussama would have made any of his own LAKHTE GEGAR to go and sacrefice.

Fooling others children and brain washing them ; what a criteria of strenght?

It is just false deception.

Having oil in muslims countries is also due to political success of europe. If they would have not explored it , they can not even dig water wells.
I would like to tell them.
Housh mei aa jayee. Jag JAye

Is Killing innocent IRAQI their religion?

Is this their Rasoul(P) has taught you?

Is this the way they believe in him?

What respect they are giving to my beloved Prophet? What an honour they are giving him for his teachings?

When one old lady used to through rubish on her head daily, one day she did not do it, HE(P) went to her home and inquired about her wellfare. This(character) became cause of many non muslims to accept Islam.

Are they the follower of the same prophet(pbuh)

I am astonished to hear, from you this . It is just ----I do not want to write; except to pray for them that GOD give them Hedayat.

KEY YA KHOB NAM ROUSHAN KEYA HEI UON LOGOON NE MERAY PEe YARE RASOUL KA > KHUDA OUN KO HEDAYAT KAREY.

They take muslims'life and approve it through religion. Allah uon per reham karey .Aqal dey

Tabha kar key rakh deya uon logoon ney afghanistan, ab they are after spoiling other muslim countries. They should go to some of their own arab country like saudia, algeria etc etc and spoil it. They came from Arab to spoil ajam. They think I could not read understand that this is defeated arab who is speaking or is speaking in you, perhaps a Pakistani. Allah say Dareen please .

Islam is not what they have thought of it. It has been spread through love and tolerance not like the way you think. Any way their Eman is with them and mine is with me. God is the one who would decide on the day of judgement.Wassalam Sokoon

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Re: Is it not honesty that all muslim ummah should now------

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*Originally posted by sokoon: *
Is not it our religious duty to help our muslim brothers, by sending our army for peace and security of their people.?
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In concept there is no issue, but this was a war started by US against the advise of other countries, as much as help is welcome etc etc. why should the soldiers of countries who did not start this war be killed while trying to maintain peace in a messed up situation created due to US trying to go it alone.

The coalition that supported this war first and foremost needs to put its money where its mouth is and send enough troops to maintain law and order. Where are those "coalition" members now? and when exactly will they send more troops than the mere window dressing that they have sent?

anyone got a list of those countries? I think they have a bigger responsibility to manage the situation. They cant just be cheerleaders and then not actually do anything. sending 35 soldiers does not count. One US marine is more capable than 35 soldiers from burkina faso or lesotho or whoever these coalition partners were.

I would love to see a list of coalition partners... the size of their armed forces, and how many have they committed to Iraq.

anyone got that info?

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Sokon

dont get me wrong here, I was half sarcastic and half serious. Do I think that other countries need to send troops in from a humanitarian perspective (whether they are muslim majority countries or not).. yes.

Do I think that we would not have been in this situation had dickey Cheney,,err i mean W has not rushed into this war the way they did, yes.

Do I think that countries will be skeptical about sending their troops in an unstable situation which was created due to actions that they had opposed..yes

and do i think that some of the cheerleaders of the war need to step up..yes.

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^ I dont agree. Why should we be fighting someone else's war. The iraqis never threatened us, they dint seem to possess any WMD, they dint fly planes into buildings nor board trains with bombs.
If there is anything proven from this, it is that social disruption brought about by a revolution, outweighs, in long term, any advantages gained by replacing a bad govt with a slightly better one.

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Inspite of all this, I still believe that there is hope. That is what our religon teaches us. Whats done is done, the people of Iraq have to yeild to foreign rule, but its essential that inwardly they remain free. Nothing could be more painful than the sight of people being robbed of their best inheritance, in return for so called freedom.

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lunatic calm

i see where you are coming from but I am looking at it from a humanitarian angle of enforcing law and order in iraq so we can save people like the innocent iraqis like the 68 that were butchered today, and the innocent hostages who keep getting killed.

not sending troops to go to war against iraq, but sending troops to save iraqis from those creating chaos in Iraq.

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FOR FAUDIA,

Dear Faudia,

Hi!

I totally agree with you.

We do so much for Saudia and others but we do not care about poor Iraq.

To save poor iraqis, America should go out and also terroists who are there and killing them, some one has to stop them.

Why not we take part in this souwab, as Iraqis are afraid of their neighbour countries and arabs that they would mess the situation, and turn it to sunni shia fight, and they do not want it, because they do not think this way.

Because Kurds were sunnis and also iraqis sunnis who are outside there country for many years say they do not have shia sunni hatred at all.

Also the new interm government is ready to have free and fear election.Why can not we help them to reach to a point in security so that they can do election.

Those who have killed pakistanis did it on the instructions of our own people, I guess. As this killing serves more purpose of our government opposition people than poor iraqis, over there.

Americans would only possibly decrease their influence, or go ,if there would be peace in iraq.

And this all iraqis know it.

The terroists who have killed our muslims brothers are serving the interest of our people. Or they are enemies of islam and they want to make iraq as afghanistan.

Being muslims and most strong army we must go to iraq and help them, to get rid of these terrorists. Regards sokoon