Is it halaal or haram?

[Ali_Syed]

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I have heard that even in Saudi Arabia machine slaughter is used in Hajj as its not possible to slaughter thousands of animals by hand. Maybe the same principle is used else where, can some one confirm about this?

[Hakuna_Matata_1]

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@Ali_Syed

I have heard that even in Saudi Arabia machine slaughter is used in Hajj as its not possible to slaughter thousands of animals by hand. Maybe the same principle is used else where, can some one confirm about this?

OMG…

Ali Bhai from where u heard this ??? :-/

I am hearing it 1st time…will confirm this and share

[mAd_ScIeNtIsT]

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@Hakuna_Matata

OMG…

Ali Bhai from where u heard this ??? :-/

I am hearing it 1st time…will confirm this and share

I found this in an old post from 1997 which says
IslamiCity.com - Q & A

II. Method of slaughtering animals: As to this issue, the fact that
chicken are slaughtered by electric machines and not manually is not a
reason not to make them Zabiha. In Saudi Arabia, where the largest
poultry farms in the world exist, chicken are also slaughtered by
electrical machines and an Allahu Akbar tape is played allowed to deal
with the issue of mass slaughtering which is no longer practical to be
done manually. Therefore, the method itself on its own is not the issue.
We hope this answer satisfies your needs and clarifies the issue in more
details. Thank you for asking and God knows best.

I found a couple of other web forums where people claimed that chicken slaughtered in Saudi Arabia is often machine slaughtered, as well as a fatwa that claims Sheikh Ibn Baz authorised this.

Concerning an Automated Meat Processing Plant | IslamToday - English

The majority of scholars permit slaughter starting from the back of the neck under the condition that the animal remains alive until its throat is cut. There is no doubt that the extremely quick cuts made by these machines ensures that the animals will still be properly slaughtered, even if the cut starts at the back of the neck.

**The ruling that a single pronouncement of Allah’s name upon starting up the machine is the official ruling issued by the Islamic Law Council of the Muslim World League in its resolution number 94 issued on 4 July 1997.

It is also in accordance with the fatwa given by Sheikh Abd al-Azîz b. Bâz former Grand Muftî of Saudi Arabia. **

And Allah knows best.

And lastly, here is a job posting currently open from a slaughterhouse in Saudi Arabia that is hiring an operator for a chicken slaughtering machine.
Slaughter Machine Mechanic Technician for Saudi Arabia Poultry Co. jobs in Saudi Arabia-HIMA Poultry Farms - Dammam, Saudi Arabia-2 to 7 Years of Experience | Posted on 22/07/2013

[Xoofi]

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Yes that 100% correct, In almost all of them Middle East countries slaughterhouses use machine to slaughter. I have seen it myself.

[lethal_kamikaze]

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@Peaceful_Islam

Assalam o Alaikum,

The meat that the Maple Lodge Farm sells in Mississauga, Ontario… Is it halal? Many people say yes but there are some who say no. The ones who say no justify by saying that the chicken goes through a machine and a tape recorder is played in which the Muslim says the words that are said prior to slaughtering the animal in the Islamic way. Even if this is true, is the meat considered acceptable/halal? Can the tape recorder be enough for having the meat slaughtered in the halal way? I’ve been curious about the timing between the meat and the voice…

Can someone clarify this for me? I wouldn’t want to eat meat that’s haram…

Peace & Peaceful Islam,

The livestock companies planted slaughter unit for sacrifice purpose and it is accepted as halaal. Let me help you to understand it in very simple way. If you are going to buy fresh (alive) chicken then it will cost you more then packed chicken. Ask yourself why? B’coz of the quantity purpose and of demand, precisely speaking to make more and more money, although you’ll find packed chicken in fresh.

I know that I can buy two packed chickens with same cost of one alive chicken but we prefer to buy alive chicken and then we give some extra money to the shop owner to scarify it for us.

If you are not satisfy or have any doubt about packed food then i’ll suggest spend little more money and buy fresh (alive). However, I’m not sure whether the packed meat is halal or haram, but I can avoid so i’m avoiding to buy packed food.

[mAd_ScIeNtIsT]

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If you are not satisfy or have any doubt about packed food then i'll suggest spend little more money and buy fresh (alive). However, I'm not sure whether the packed meat is halal or haram, but I can avoid so i'm avoiding to buy packed food.

This doesn't work in most Western countries, because it is only legal for an animal to be slaughtered in a licenced slaughtering facility.

[psyah]

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@lethal_kamikaze

Peace & Peaceful Islam,

The livestock companies planted slaughter unit for sacrifice purpose and it is accepted as halaal. Let me help you to understand it in very simple way. If you are going to buy fresh (alive) chicken then it will cost you more then packed chicken. Ask yourself why? B’coz of the quantity purpose and of demand, precisely speaking to make more and more money, although you’ll find packed chicken in fresh.

I know that I can buy two packed chickens with same cost of one alive chicken but we prefer to buy alive chicken and then we give some extra money to the shop owner to scarify it for us.

If you are not satisfy or have any doubt about packed food then i’ll suggest spend little more money and buy fresh (alive). However, I’m not sure whether the packed meat is halal or haram, but I can avoid so i’m avoiding to buy packed food.

Then this is no different to shocking the animals surely …

Sorry could not resist …

[TLK]

@Hakuna Matata:9680592

[quote="“Ali_Syed, post:14, topic:285734"”]

I have heard that even in Saudi Arabia machine slaughter is used in Hajj as its not possible to slaughter thousands of animals by hand. Maybe the same principle is used else where, can some one confirm about this?

OMG…

Ali Bhai from where u heard this ??? :-/

I am hearing it 1st time…will confirm this and share
[/quote]

Ali is right. When you are in makkah or madina, always ask if the meat is watani. If they say no, then don’t eat it.

[KKF]

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as long as a muslim certifies it to beHalaal...it's his responsibility...the consumer will NOT be held responsible by Allah, inshaa Allah.

[TLK]

^ I don't agree. If you know that the Muslim who is calling the meat halal has a different definition of what is halal than what you learned, then it's your responsibility to make sure.

[KKF]

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@TLK

^ I don't agree. If you know that the Muslim who is calling the meat halal has a different definition of what is halal than what you learned, then it's your responsibility to make sure.

a Muslim is a Muslim, you can NOT deny him to be a Muslim...you just have to say Allaho Akbar...i don't agree that Muslims have different definitions of being a Muslim. anyone who says kalima is a Muslim for me...period! har kalma go ek musalmaan hai aur uskaa zabiHa Halaal hai.

[muqawwee123]

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@psyah

Then this is no different to shocking the animals surely …

Sorry could not resist …

[TLK]

@Khalil KhaaN FaaKhta:9692958

@""TLK""

^ I don’t agree. If you know that the Muslim who is calling the meat halal has a different definition of what is halal than what you learned, then it’s your responsibility to make sure.

a Muslim is a Muslim, you can NOT deny him to be a Muslim…you just have to say Allaho Akbar…i don’t agree that Muslims have different definitions of being a Muslim. anyone who says kalima is a Muslim for me…period! har kalma go ek musalmaan hai aur uskaa zabiHa Halaal hai.

Arabs in USA think that McDonald chicken sandwich is halal. If you visit a Muslim home and they present McDonald’s sandwich, will you eat it?

[KKF]

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@TLK

Arabs in USA think that McDonald chicken sandwich is halal. If you visit a Muslim home and they present McDonald's sandwich, will you eat it?

we make things difficult for us...yes, i will eat...!!! so do a lot of Muslims! do you think ONLY the desi Muslims are the right kind? no way! meat slaughtered by ahl-e-kitaab is Halaal. Ghairullah par to zabaH nahiiN kiyaa jaataa jaanwar!

jahaN aHtiyaat karnii chaahiye vahaN ham nahiiN karte aur jahaN nahiiN karnii chaahiye vahaN karte haiN...sood denaa aur lenaa donoN Haraam haiN magar ham baRe shauq se makaan, car, student loan interest par le lete haiN aur gosht meN meem meeKh nikaalte haiN.

hai na? :)

[TLK]

@Khalil KhaaN FaaKhta:9692981

@""TLK""

Arabs in USA think that McDonald chicken sandwich is halal. If you visit a Muslim home and they present McDonald’s sandwich, will you eat it?

we make things difficult for us…yes, i will eat…!!! so do a lot of Muslims! do you think ONLY the desi Muslims are the right kind? no way! meat slaughtered by ahl-e-kitaab is Halaal.

I did not know that McDonald meat is slaughtered meat by ahle-kitaab. Any source you can give for this info?

[KKF]

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@TLK

I did not know that McDonald meat is slaughtered meat by ahle-kitaab. Any source you can give for this info?

what do you think? how about meat found in super markets?

tajassus is not encouraged in Islam because it creates difficulty and Allah said many times in Qur'aan that Allah does NOT wish to cause difficulties for you. He wants to stay within the Islamic boundaries...Allah has explained in Qur'aan which kinds of meat is Haraam and other than those everything else is Halaal...

...Allah also said [in meaning only] "do NOT make Halaal things Haraam on you AND and Haraam things Halaal for yourself".

[psyah]

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Peace KKF

When you say "hum barey shauq se makan, car aur student loan lete hain" then compare that to the consumption of "meat" you are making a simple mistake. That is of the option of having an alternative.

The fatwas given by the ulema allow - one house on mortgage. They do not allow cars and student loans if given back in time do not amount to interest. And if there were alternatives we should take them. Halal meat is available so we should take it.

Also, the "hurmat" of what we do should take second priority of what we consume - the nature of food is more important than the preparation, the preparation of it is more important than how we deal with our affairs ... because this directly affects our body and soul.

Let me give you an example ...

Zina is haram, so is drinking alcohol ... But if we drink alcohol and become drunk then we will go off an do zina as well ... The sanctuary we know to be our bodies is directly influenced by what we put in it.

Guarding the eyes and mouth are among the most effective ways to maintain good character and protection from Shaitan. So not eating haram food should be on our A list. Haram food may only be consumed when life and death situation arises. This is limit of the application of "religion is easy" for food.

Furthermore, blood is haram even in animals that are halal so the modern slaughter methods do not ensure the bleeding out of the meat.

Blessing the meat with the name of Allah (SWT) is required, and with anything else or with no blessing is also haram ... Ahl-al-Kitab meat is only counted as that meat if they actually follow the preparation of the meat in their prescribed manner. They don't - they use modern ways to do it. The sort of meat they use in fast food stores is GM and often the animals are handled and raised in inhuman ways.

Religion is easy - but this only makes sense to the person who has submitted himself entirely for his religion. Otherwise, we will always use this phrase to "make" religion easy for ourselves which is not what it means ... If we find religion hard then we need to ask ourselves whether we have fully submitted not whether we can change the rules to make it easy for us. This way the ones who do not find it easy to pray Fajr or Isha can leave praying them and so on until the complete dilution of religion ...

If we had non-interest means of obtaining a house and vehicle insurance and studies - if we organise ourselves to achieve this then I would be first to say that all those things should not be done also ... Fact is neither do we have those things available yet nor are they as important as how we treat the sanctuary of the body.

[Med911]

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Is it halal or haram? sounds like a game show.

[lethal_kamikaze]

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Peace,

@psyah

Then this is no different to shocking the animals surely …
Sorry could not resist …

Pardon mein brother I didn’t get your point What are you trying to say here

@mAd_ScIeNtIsT

This doesn’t work in most Western countries, because it is only legal for an animal to be slaughtered in a licenced slaughtering facility.

Here also animal must be slaughtered in designated slaughtering house/places. However, an individual is allowed to slaughter (churri pheerna) by himself, rest the workers to the needful.

btw aik murghi hi to hy kitna koun hoga uska jo allowed nahi. koi blood ki naddi to nahi bahani na.

[Hakuna_Matata_1]

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I have heard that even in Saudi Arabia machine slaughter is used in Hajj as its not possible to slaughter thousands of animals by hand. Maybe the same principle is used else where, can some one confirm about this?

Hello again.. Yes this is true... and I consulted someone... He said.. Jo jaiz tareeqa hai wo haath se qurbani ka hai and hukam bhi isi ka hai.. but Hajj aik different thing hai.. isme agar 1 laakh log Hajj karein to zahir hai janwar bhi 1 laakh hi chahiyeey... jiske liye kam se kam bhi.. atleast 10 thousand butchers/qasaai chahiyein.. which is not possible in 1 place.. is liye MAJBOORI ki halat me ye QABIL-E-QABOOL hai..

but aam tor per bilkul bhi sahi nah hai ye... Baki baatein banane aur dil ko behlane ke liye 100 bahane mil sakte hein... :)