Is it about Iraq or Shia vs Sunni...

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http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/09/iraq.main/index.html
Gunmen roaming a Baghdad neighborhood on Sunday killed at least 40 unarmed Iraqis as soon as they identified them as Sunnis, emergency police said.

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Wow. CNN is such a great news source isn't it. Tell me how CNN figured out they were sunni? Do they have the multicolored birthmark on their forehead?

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DIL PE MAT LE YAAR. Then which news source do you suggest, dawn.com?

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I would suggest a news source that does what it is supposed to do. Provide the facts. I personally would choose an EU source. But then again you would hate that as it would not fit your point of view.

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^^ 40 killed at a fake checkpoint, and another 25 killed by two car bombs, and Mr. I-dine-with-kings-in-the-Bermuda-slave-colony wants to compare journalistic views.

Wasn't this the same guy who was screaming about Iraqi sanctions til he wet his diapers? But wholesale slaughter in the streets and he is worried about CNNs reporting. I liked it better when his Gameboy was working....

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http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article1168631.ece
http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/story.asp?j=188525298&p=y885z6xx4
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-07-09T120916Z_01_L09882857_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ.xml
http://euronews.net/create_html.php?page=detail_info&article=368224&lng=1
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/00a13ab6-0f6d-11db-ad3d-0000779e2340.html

What will you do
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Isn't maintaining law and order responsibility of the occupying force?

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Yes it is.
It seems Shia Sunni ke beech occupying forces ne koi SHADYANTRA/conspiracy rachi hai.

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Illegal invasion of a country can prove far more dangerous than any such conspiracy. This is what happens when you invade a country on false premises and encourage divisions that would facilitate the establishment of a puppet regime. Law and order breaks down. The biggest mistake the United States made after the occupation was disbanding the security infrastructure. This infrastructure could have been used to suppress people but the kind of apparatus they have put together is dysfunctional and far more brutal. It will take a long time to evolve a functional, efficient and people-friendly security system. It's not going to be easy. It is a dilemma for the occupying forces. Their presence in Iraq generates the resentment that feeds the terror machine (which was not there before the occupation). But if they leave today, Iraq is likely to descend into utter chaos.

Occupying forces can not win hearts and minds now, they can not even win freedom for these people despite the 'democratic' set-up, but they should at least try to win peace for these people who suffered under Saddam and now have to suffer more under this (lack of) rule of law.

Meanwhile, Indians should try not to derive pleasure from any sectarian conflict in that country.

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this is just utterly pathethic. these sunni and shia militant aholes need to be brought under control.

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Its not really a "mistake" ;) ... how else would you ensure your long stay if everything was peaceful after sudden removal of one regime and next one takes over without problems.

Would you serve Cheese and Crackers to a guest in your home?
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Americans may not be playing fair in Iraq.

However we should not forget that Shia-Sunni fasad (anarchy) is pretty much enshrined in our Sharia. Calling bad names for Sihaba on one side, and suicide bombing during Muharram is something that happens in countries where America is not an "occupying force".

It is time that both Shia and Sunni groups cleaned up their own books, and pushed aside their own jihadis.

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Knowing the hatred that exists between Shia and Sunni in Iraq, can anyone imagine the fall of Saddam where this violence did not take place? How pathetic that it takes a "strongman" to brutally enforce peace. The level of hatred is positively Medieval.

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Not correct, may be you can say "our interpretations of Sharia" :D

Anyway, it was long predicted before actual invasion, one of theories that US will prolong its stay by inciting Sunni-Shia civil war, we have also read news of "coalition" forces getting caught in the act... haven't we?

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That maybe the single most moronic thing I have ever read on Gupshsup.

Sure, we want to continue to spend billions upon billions of dollars, have our men killed, and no oil flowing. Are you completely butt stupid? Perhaps we are paying Sunnis to lob handgrenades in Pakistan too? The ability of you guys to make up any fantasy rather than face reality is truely stunning.

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No I know who the butt stupid is :)

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The one thing that is perfectly clear is that the biggest achievement of the US presence has been the *avoidance *of mass scale slaughter of Iraqis in a large scale civil war. Can you imagine the scale of the blood shed if the US left and the militias had at it? It would make Rwanda look like childs play. It would make Pol Pot look like Santa Claus, it would make Serbia pale in comparison. There would be millions dead in a month.

The best thing for the US would be a quick peaceful end with Iraq rebuilt, peaceful co-existance, and lots of oil revenues paying for reconstruction. To imagine that we want sectarian violence is the most utterly stupid and poorly thought out remark I could possibly imagine.

But then again, this is Gupshup, and true thinking here is a hopelessly erratic endeavor.

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I don't say that America wants Shias and Sunnis to decimate each other, but somehow American policies have helped unleash this terror machine, which, up until now, has proved worse than Saddam's terror apparatus.

What to do now?

Try to contain it and try not to encourage these divisions (directly or indirectly) in the future. A person from Iraq should be seen as an Iraqi, and not as someone who comes from 'Former Regime Triangle' or 'Presnet Regime Square'. It doesn't help. Secondly, Muslim countries especially Arab countries and Iran should try to help Iraqis establish peace and security for the sake of Iraqi people, even if it requires cooperation with the countries that invaded Iraq. Cooperating with the US doesn't necessarily mean that you support their war; it means that you're willing to help Iraqi people and don't want to see them suffer only because you want American administration to 'face the music'.

Another thing Americans should not forget is that some militants actually want coalition forces to stay in war-torn Muslim countries because it helps them to recruit more people and continue their war -justified or not. Tell the Iraqi people that you're going to pull out the day peace and harmony is restored. Tell them clearly that you don't intend to stay there indefinitely. Set some milestones, i.e. if violence level drops, pull out some forces; it drops further, pull out more forces. Communicate it to the ordinary people so that you could be seen as protectors and not as occupiers.

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Doesn’t that make the keywords for your “feel-good-excuse”?

How close are Saddam days “numbers” with numbers post Feb/Mar 2003?

The best thing for US to build any credibility in the world would be to hand-over peace-keeping and government building in Iraq to UN… but then again, who would keep the oil? :hehe:

We are hopeless about the close-eyed-war-mongers/defenders too :smiley:

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The best thing for US to build any credibility in the world would be to hand-over peace-keeping and government building in Iraq to UN
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i agree. but I'm afraid that neither US nor UN would agree to it.